Re: George W. Bush's Suicidal Statecraft

"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:55:10 -0400, "doyle"
> <doylecrudcatcher5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >news:v5p2l1t21k2gvrddig2icai55oo0upo1an@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:16:07 -0400, "doyle"
> >> <doylecrudcatcher5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >news:uuu1l1h93nkhrj7n98u1nkue229r445brj@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> A hard-headed rundown from Zbigniew Brzezinski:
> >> >>
> >> >> "In a bipartisan setting, it would be easier not only to scale
down
> >> >> the definition of success in Iraq but actually to get out -
perhaps
> >> >> even as early as next year. And the sooner the United States
> >leaves,
> >> >> the sooner the Shiites, Kurds and Sunnis will either reach a
> >political
> >> >> arrangement on their own or some combination of them will
forcibly
> >> >> prevail."
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/13/opinion/edzbig.php#
> >> >
> >> ><excerpt>Many of al-Zarqawi or Dr. Zawahiri's intercepted letters
and
> >> >communiqués reveal paranoid fears that Iraq is indeed becoming
lost -
> >> >but to the terrorists. The enemy speaks of constantly shifting
> >tactics -
> >> >try beheading contractors; no, turn to slaughtering Shiites; no,
> >butcher
> >> >teachers and school kids; no, go back to try to blow up American
> >> >convoys. In contrast, we are consistent in our strategy - go after
> >> >jihadists, train Iraqi security forces, promote consensual
government
> >so
> >> >Iraq becomes an autonomous republic free to determine its own
future.
> >We
> >> >will leave anytime the elected government of Iraq asks us to; the
> >> >terrorists won't cease until they have rammed, Taliban-style, an
> >> >8th-century theocracy down the throats of unwilling Iraqis.
> >> >
> >> ></excerpt>
> >> >
> >> >Historian Victor David Hansen in reply to Zbigniew Brzezinski's
> >op-ed.
> >> >
> >> >http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson101405.html
> >>
> >> Are you genuinely unable to spot the flaw in what he says above,
> >> Donna?
> >
> >Read the entire thing, Josh, rather than my small excerpt from it.
>
> Figured you'd say that. But I did. He pecks about like a chicken, and
> I can't say that I disagreed with everything he said.

You tried to play a bluff with Zbiggie. When I raised with Hanson and
then later called, you folded.

EOS.

--
Donna
---------

> For example, I
> agree that, despite some major missteps like the goofs that let Bin
> Laden and Mullah Omar escape, we've been successful at disrupting Al
> Qaeda's central leadership. And I believe too that the fact that Iraq
> is holding elections, however problematic, will have a positive effect
> on middle eastern politics. But I'm afraid that in most other
> particulars, he sounds like the light at the end of the tunnel guys
> describing Vietnam -- huge body counts, no major battle lost.
>
> But overall, I'm afraid I have to agree with Zbig -- our policies
>
> --
> Josh
>
> "It was amazing I won. I was running against peace and prosperity
> and incumbency." - George W. Bush


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