Re: Mayor Ray Nagin has something to say.


"Ray Haddad" wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:15:45 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
> and "w.d.greene" <bil64@xxxxxxxxxxx> instead replied:
>
>>"w.d.greene" wrote:
>>> "Kurt Ullman" wrote:
>>>> "w.d.greene" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In order to fix it one has to understand what went wrong. This
>>>>>administration avoids issues of what went wrong when it might have
>>>>>involved
>>>>>their own culpability. The perfect example is the supposed "errant"
>>>>>intelligence that was used ti justify the invasion of Iraq.
>>>>
>>>> The main thing GW seems to have done improperly in the area of
>>>> intelligence is not can Tenet from the CIA.
>>>
>>> That's right, it all comes down to one man. It is his fault and his
>>> fault
>>> alone. Nobody else in the administration, not the Sec of Defense, Sec
>>> of
>>> State, head of NSA, Vice Pres, even the Pres himself, none of these
>>> people
>>> have any responsibility under the constitution or as part of their job
>>> descriptions to do anything with regards to making decisions about
>>> imminent invasions. The whole government pivots on the person of one
>>> man
>>> heading one agency.
>>>
>>> Surely Kurt you do not think in such an utterly simplistic manner.
>>>
>>> How many reports have to come out about this administration, from day
>>> one,
>>> expressing the intent to invade Iraq? The plans were written up a
>>> decade
>>> in advance by Rumsfield and Cheney and company. They were just looking
>>> for an excuse. Mix together 9/11 and a blinding bevy of lies, scare the
>>> living shit out of people, and bingo, the populace turns into a mass of
>>> sheeple willing to approve whatever lunacy the administration puts
>>> forward.
>>>
>>> Thankfully, hopefully, some people are awakening from the daze to see
>>> the
>>> truth, the truth that's been there from the beginning.
>>
>>Actually, Maureen Dowd of the NYT said it very well:
>>
>>Why does this self-styled "can do" president always lapse into such lame
>>"who could have known?" excuses.
>>
>>Who on earth could have known that Osama bin Laden wanted to attack us by
>>flying planes into buildings? Any official who bothered to read the
>>trellis
>>of pre-9/11 intelligence briefs.
>>
>>Who on earth could have known that an American invasion of Iraq would
>>spawn
>>a brutal insurgency, terrorist recruiting boom and possible civil war? Any
>>official who bothered to read the C.I.A.'s prewar reports.
>>
>>Who on earth could have known that New Orleans's sinking levees were at
>>risk
>>from a strong hurricane? Anybody who bothered to read the endless warnings
>>over the years about the Big Easy's uneasy fishbowl.
>>
>>http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/03/opinion/03dowd.html
>
> And one more time you attempt to prove that hindsight is crystal
> clear. In your case, that seems to be all that's ever crystal clear.

It's not hindsight. That's the point (which you apparently missed
completely).

Reports detailing the likelihood of using aircraft as terrorist weapons had
been around for years. Yet Condi says, "Nobody ever thought anyone would
use airplanes as weapons." Huh?

The CIA (and other agencies) laid out extensive details regarding what we
should expect post invasion in Iraq. Yet Rumsfield and company say, "Well,
we just didn't count on an insurgency." Huh?

The Army Corps of Engineers and numerous other organizations (several links
provided in previous posts) detailed that New Orleans was a sitting duck and
that the levees would break. Yet Bush gets on television and says, "Nobody
thought the levees would break." Huh?

Over and over. They're either lying or they are astonishingly and
consistently incompetent. And don't even get me started regarding the whole
WMD debacle.




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