Re: WAY OT: Is this child abuse?

"Dave" <noway1@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:h6avap$ish$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Not to be mean, but, you have -absolutely- no business hiring and firing for other people.

Not anymore I don't. Have held a couple of positions where the task was assigned to me though. I'm good at it (IT, being making smart hiring decisions), though I don't particularly enjoy it.

That's not the sense I get from the hypothetical decision you just provided.

I hired/fired for years for a 700 unit nationwide retailer, and I could find plenty for a guy with those qualifications to do.

The way I see it, this little guy is marked (literally) for life as not just blue collar but LOW END, unskilled blue collar.

Generally speaking, the same could be said for many former college educated "IT professionals".

Boy you've got a point there. The IT field kind of imploded. If you've got degrees, certifications, experience and references...you might be better off flipping burgers. :)

It seems to have become a near minimum-wage job in third-world countries.

Kinda makes you wonder what all that education and certification was for?

Not trying to be disparaging, I'm just showing you what a third person opinion might assume, like yours did.

You had that 8 yr old on welfare for life, and you don't even know his name.

What if he's the next Edison or Picasso?

Furthermore, and really deep-

How much does societal attitudes, like yours, doom the kid all his life, because of his personal appearance?

Perhaps it's only just that you -do- pay his welfare?

Since he can't play in your sandbox?

Seems like a pretty poor career choice nowadays.

Yeah, at least until the economy turns around. Even then, ???

"Seems to me" was the operative part of the sentance.

I'm asking this not as an insult, but as an actual question.

What about your parents raising you to be intolerant?

Was that child abuse?

It's interesting (very) that you would view me as intolerant.

It's even more interesting that you don't.

You dissed every aspect of a family, down to the car they drove, and how it ran, from one simple observation of personal apperance.

And doomed them for life, by your standards.

Read the definitions I provided, and explain to me why your OP wasn't a -classic- example of both?

Prejudice
1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without
knowledge, thought, or reason.
2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature,
regarding a racial, religious, or national group.
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Bigot
1. One who is strongly partial to one's own group... and is intolerant of those who differ.
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And these paradigms you exhibit have a high probability of coming from how you were raised by your parents.

I'm probably one of the most easy-going people you would ever meet, in person. Generally, with me, anything goes. And I'd have no problem WORKING with someone with a tattoo. I'd just be leery of hiring them.

I'm a highschool drop-out with 5 tattoos and a -brand- on my back.

One of them says "Organ Donor", another "Colt 10mm Firearms".

Another very prominent one says "If you get bent, we split your gear", which is a scuba reference that most people don't get.

I'm also a pretty large guy, with a buzzcut, very scarred up.

People make snap judgements about me all the time.

I wonder if you would have hired me?

Do you know anything about my background from reading the forum?

Keep in mind the specific tattoo I was writing about. It's one thing to have a small dolphin on your ankle, quite another to have some butt-ugly curly-cue (for lack of a better description) covering half your face. You generally don't see ink like that unless it was obtained the hard way, like in prison... or as part of a gang initiation.

And this statement, you feel, isn't pre-judgemental in any way?

It's his right to raise his child as he sees fit.

And generally, I'd agree with that. But this particular tattoo?

You might have pulled this off with a one sentance query- "I saw a 8 yr old kid with a tattoo on his face, is that inapropriate, or what?".

But your exacerbation of the point did you in.

I see you as an intelligent guy, but you seem to have missed reading between your own lines.

Geez, he might as well have sawed off the boy's right arm. The effect on his life will be no less dramatic, I'm sure.

Especially with guys like you to facilitate that. :-)

The tattoo itself is pretty benign...

Do you want people telling you how to raise yours?

Happens all the time. Would have to move out of the nanny state we call the U.S. to avoid it. -Dave

I don't have children, by choice.

That's one of the primary reasons.


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