Re: Democrats on a roll...



Dennis (Icarus) wrote:
"gringo" <gringo@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Besides, as I have already remarked, one may apply any label he likes
to
Progressives, and I'll grit my teeth, and smile, and reply with a
smarmy
retort about conservatives. But that is as it should be in a spirited
debate--we are, after all, very far apart in our core beliefs. Even
one
personal insult, however, drifts over the line, and soon a flame war
develops that has very little to do with the original discussion.
Well, when one refers to a group, of which another is a member, that can
be
regarded as a personal insult.
Best to just avoid it altogether, right?
That is impossible to do--even for you. You have referred to liberals (me
in particular) as a Red. if one is going to discuss politics, one must

Historically, isn't Red the chosen color of the progressive-types?
Yeah, I know that the currentl election maps show red as Republican.
And I'll be clearer - when one refers to another group in a derogatory
manner e.g. "righttard"

refer from time to time to the other side. Legislators do it well: "my
esteemed colleague on the other side of the aisle," they say, before
trying to rip the other guy's throat out. Difficult, even for them. Both
sides employ vacuous and vicious talking heads to appropriately vent their
spleen. But, heck, our side has very few with the dirty mouth of an annie
coulter.

I take it you've not read her writing then?

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Well, having been to his house a few times, there wasn't a "locked &
cocked"
.45 visible.
Maybe he cleaned up for company, or perhaps, just perhaps,
y'misunderstood
what was written?


no, I didn't misunderstand. He was trying to prove how big and bad he is.

Well, not from the quote I saw.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.trucking/msg/5169428de01be081?hl=en&;
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4. We have to keep developing new means to secure firearms.
Thieves come up with new ways to steal things everyday. We have
to keep up with them, so to speak.

I have a gun safe bolted to the floor, but some people can't
afford that.


I agree with what you say, but it won't be available to
everybody.


Then if they can't afford the means to safely store something maybe
they need to look at what they can afford.



A locked & cocked 1911A1 on the coffee table in my living room -is- safely
stored.




precisely, Dennis. nothing ambiguous about that.

he said,
"A locked & cocked 1911A1 on the coffee table in my living room -is- safely stored. "


Later on, he claimed to be a "weapons designer."



Doug's point, in that message, is that, by virtue of the the pistol being in
his house, it is safely stored.
Look at it this way, a crook breaks in to your house, steals your TV.
Was the TV safely stored, securely stored, in your house?


Of course not. Like popeye's cocked and locked pistol, my TV was sitting out in the open, plugged in. You are aware that doug just recently claimed that he NEVER--not just sometimes but NEVER--watches TV. does the boy own one?



allow me to take the time to give you the background on Doug and Scott,
here at misc.transport.trucking.

It was argument about the private ownership of assault weapons (the full
automatic kind). It was his contention that everyone had the right to own
grenades, bazookas, tanks if he wanted to. Another poster pointed out the

And it can be argued that he's correct. :-)


We'll get into this, if you like. My position is that since one never fully knows what is going on inside his neighbor's mind, I do not want him to have access to an Uzi or a .50 cal sniper rifle. I even remarked to doug that, although I was willing to accept that HE is responsible enough not to go on a rampage, I can't say the same for the next guy with a penchant for man-killing weaponry. Private citizens have zero need to own a box of grenades--imagine, if you will, the results if those Colorado schoolkids had owned serious automatic firepower.



safety issue, that such weapons ought to be under lock and key. popeye
countered that HIS M1911A1 was perfectly safe locked and cocked on his

Actually, it was more of "a".


"A locked & cocked 1911A1 on the coffee table in *my living room* -*is*- safely stored." Note the words set off in bold. "*his* living room"... "...*is* safely stored." Nothing ambiguous about it.


coffee table--he went on to add that he always carried a pistol on his
person, even into a courtroom and to help himself feel safer in bars!
That's about the point I came into the thread, supporting sensible gun
control of assault weapons. When he could not defeat my arguments, he

All it did was drive up the price.

No, in person, I doubt if he is the blubbering, strutting bully he is on
this NG. I'm willing to accept that in person he is usually respectful
and
polite--note, however, that you both line up on the right side of most
issues. He and I sided one another not long ago. Against a sports car
enthusiast's dumb smear campaign against all truckers. He's probably
alright--just don't disagree too strongly with him, because he will get
vicious.

Disagree with anyone strongly and it can get vicious.


only with the blowhards who will lie, cheat, steal in order to "win"--whatever the hell that means in a long usenet discussion.



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Yeah, that was pretty much how I put it. I based it on your denigration
of
the London plot and the ones in Miami as not being a eal threat since
they
hadnt done anything. Even though conspiracy (just talking about it)
would
be...well...illegal to my understanding.

Dennis



I certainly agree that they should have been, at the least, closely
watched. But it's kinda like the John Delorean thing. If the FBI had not
enticed him into a drug sale, it is unlikely he would have ever even
jaywalked. I believe the FBI in that case acted in support of the Big
Three automakers. In these other cases, I believe they acted in support
of
Bush's fear campaign against the American people.

There are rules against entrapment. Doesn't seem like that's the case
though, in either case.

Dennis



entrapment that can be proven, against a government that has all the right buttons lined up in order. Remember a year or so back when about thirty convictions were thrown out because it was proven in court that FBI technicians had fabricated evidence? FBI agents as a group are as faulty as all other humans; for lots of reasons they can and do quite often bend the rules.

Now, having gone to all this trouble to respond to you, you may not read it. At the request of a rec.scuba reader, I have taken to deleting it from the send-to.
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