Re: OT -- On the implausibility of the explosives plot

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So any of the other "handlers" been charged?
No?


of course not. The blame always is laid on the lowest denominator.

Look up the statutes on criminal conspiracy.
If they guards thought they were obeying orders they thought were legal,
alid orders, then that would be a mitigating circumstance, and the
person
giving the orders would also be charged.




you are speaking logically. Proof in a legal sense is not based on logic.
They must prove that they were given such orders. Since it was done
verbally, one-on-one essentially, there is none.

Yes, I am using logic. And this is why one requests orders one thinks to be
suspect, IN WRITING.
Surely you're aware of such things, having served in the military, right?




Getting closer all the time, Dennis. Isn't it? If Bush wasn't
No, its not. That you thnk so is pretty surprising to me.
despite Constitutional protections against warrantless search and
seizure,
it is done all the time now. Wiretapping of all calls, foreign and
domestic. Emails read, internet activities monitored. Cameras either
hidden or in the open, watching everything we do. Thousands of people
(including American citizens) being held without being charged.
Americans
engaging in torture! Big Brother is alive and growing stronger.

Pretty much what the Brits do now? And folks have been praising the
Brits
for their uncovering of that terrorist plot.
:-)



Sure. We've discussed this vast conspiracy of the imbecilic kind. No
proof that those fools were doing anything more than talking. Not saying
they would not have eventually acted--but British and American
intelligence
secret agents broke their pledges to provide money and logistics
supports--hell, they wouldn't even buy them any uniforms!

And there was no proof that Atta wouldve done
anything...until...he...and...his...cohorts....did.




involved in 9/11, at the very least he was aware of it in advance.
If
the military had been permitted to follow normal procedures that
morning, the attacks would have been prevented.
How so? :-)

One word: Cheney.

Sorry, you need more words than that.



it's available for those who seek the truth. And I have provided it
elsewhere.

As I said......





Check this out:
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/pen10.html
9/11 is the equivalent of the Brown Shirt's burning of the Reichstag,
which was blamed on the Jews. It scared the hell out of the German
people; it became Hitler's excuse to implement:
Try communists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

wow. I typed jew instead of communist. Doesn't change the results.
Hitler used Germany's very own "terrorist attack" to instill fear in
his
people, and to gather the reins of limitless power.


You are aware that bin Laden has claimed credit for the Twin Towers,
right?
Or is Al Jazeera now part of the vast right-wing propaganda machine too?



Just what does that have to do with Hitler's similar tactics? Except for

Quite a bit.

these glaring facts: Bin Laden family and the Bush family are partners in
several businesses; Daddy Bush under the aegis of Ronnie Reagan
supplied--and trained-- Bin Laden and Al Qaeda in his fight against the
russians; Dubya Bush allowed two planeloads of Bin Laden's siblings (and
Osama himself??) to leave America after the attacks without being
questioned by even a Boy Scout.

In the 1980s, they were opposing the Soviets after their invasion of
Afghanistan.
Ahh..but of course thats ok.


Think about it: *what info could they have gotten from Osama's siblings if
they had been sent down to Gitmo for a few months??* Torture is a fine,
honorable tactic to be used against the peons, but don't harm a hair on
the
head of one of bush's friends!


Thought you didn't like what was going on at Gitmo?

<snip>


And had we uncovered the plot on 9/10, there is no doubt in my mind that
you'd be castigatingt he Bush admin for arresting those 19 peaceful
chaps
who "hadn't done anything".



We've been polite with one another so far. Merely debating an issue. Keep
it that way? Don't make any references to me personally, I'll do
likewise.

Just speculating on what you'd say, based on what I've read so far.
Would not have been any diffeent, from what I can tell, than your reaction
to the Miami plot or what occurred in Britian.

Again, speculative.
<snip>

I've read the same thing at several sites. No chemicals could have
been
mixed onboard in enough quantity to do much harm. And if they feared
the
stuff carried on in luggage, why then did they give away--unopened and
untested--thousands of bottles of confiscated liquids to charities?

Feel free to list the sites. Please exclude dailykoz or its affiliates
:-)

Dennis



You haven't read what I've already posted, Dennis. Read, make comments,
I'll make counter-points.

I thought thats what we've been doing.

Dennis


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