Re: Red light cameras reduce fatal crashes, study says

On Feb 5, 7:53 am, Nate Nagel <njna...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 02/05/2011 07:18 AM, Larry G wrote:









On Feb 5, 1:06 am, Arif Khokar<akhokar1...@xxxxxxx>  wrote:
On 2/4/2011 7:10 PM, Larry G wrote:

On Feb 3, 12:08 am, Arif Khokar<akhokar1...@xxxxxxx>    wrote:
On 2/2/2011 10:10 PM, hanco...@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Feb 2, 9:12 pm, Lil Abner<@Daisey.Mae>      wrote:

All one has to do is look over the Internet to find study and results
after results showing that Red Light cameras cause more accidents.

Perhaps your post got corrupted, but I didn't see any examples of
studies from reputable neutral organizations to support your claim.

I believe the VDOT and the Texas Transportation Institute conducted
studies that support the claims made above.  I'm sure you can find them
using your favorite search engine.

I would think initially until the presence of the cameras is
recognized by a majority that accidents would go up but fatal T-bones
would probably disappear.

I'm in favor of Red Light Cameras - with large signs telling everyone
that they are present.

Engineering measures should be tried first such as lengthening the
yellow phase time and adding an all-red phase time.

I'm not opposed to doing that - but I'd like to see some data that
demonstrates that those measures are effective in some measureable way
that actually resulted in less accidents.

If people know that the cameras are present and still want to have
rear-end accidents - that's fine - ticket them and let them deal with
the insurance company.

That insurance company will then raise its rates for the driver who
filed the claim and, as more crashes occur, start raising rates across
the board.

more rear-end-bumper-thumpers property damage verses less T-bone
fatalities?

Too many people are running the lights now days and many innocent (but
unobservant) people are dying in T-bone accidents from red-light
runners.

Many intersections where these cameras are installed don't have a
history of many fatal t-bone crashes in the first place and the majority
of violations are those making a right turn on red without coming to a
full stop (which hasn't been shown to be significant cause of crashes,
let alone fatal ones).

I'm in favor of keeping comprehensive accident histories but if you
have a history of red-light running
at an intersection - it inevitably is going to lead to accidents - and
the folks running the red lights at one intersection and getting away
with it (without an accident) are the same folks who likely will
repeat that behavior at other intersections that may well be more
deadly...

I would think after a few months of the worst offenders getting
multiple tickets that then endanger their licenses and insurance ought
to put a crimp on most.

What about those drivers who are on the receiving end of a rear end
collision?  They're out of their deductible and will most likely have
their insurance rates go up at their next renewal.  What about those who
decide to save money by only keeping liability insurance?  They're going
to have to wait a while before they can get money from the other drivers
insurance (assuming they have any)?  What about the injuries those
drivers and their passengers sustain and their associated medical costs?

what about those people who do not get T-boned and die or suffer
permanent injuries?

let's see some data that compares and contrasts ....   but if someone
habitually is running into the rear
ends of others - they're eventually going to be brought to heel by the
law and the insurance companies and they'll "learn" NOT to run into
other people because doing so has serious financial and driving
privilege consequences.

Even when they're set up to do so by a shortened yellow?

Yellow too short.  RLC installed.  your choice - panic stop (and still
possibly slide into the intersection and get a ticket) with the
associated risk of rear-ender, or "run" the red.  what do you do?

FIX THE PROBLEM BEFORE EVEN CONSIDERING CAMERAS.

nate

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has a study ever been done to correlate the length of the yellow phase
with accident prevalence?

I'd even be in favor of trying the lengthened yellow but keep accident
statistics and then put in the cameras and keep statistics then make a
decision based on what the data shows.

Red light cameras should be an available option not outlawed from use.

.

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