Re: Interstate / County ROute 215 -- LAs Vegas

On Jul 31, 7:15 pm, "rshe...@xxxxxxxxx" <rshe...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 31, 6:30 pm, CAHighway99 <brentrjo...@xxxxxxx> wrote:





On Jul 31, 1:43 pm, Andrew Tompkins <andy...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

rshe...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jul 31, 1:28 pm, Andrew Tompkins <andy...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
rshe...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
There's not development east of the airfield because that's still Nellis
(their weapons storage area and possibly a school of some type).
There's plenty of development to the south with 7-8 mile trips to access
the current fwys.
So is it your suggestion for Clark Co to spend hundreds of millions
on  row and const to give everyone a 2-3 mile trip to access a frwy??
don't you think it would be better to spend those hundreds of millions
on a full freeway buildout of the existing???
also realize due to the economy LV and NV have serious revenue
shortfalls
I mean it is not like the military where money is no object
And, Andy, I really don't know why you are dragging this out as there
is no money for anything remotely related to what you are talking
about
and as I said the money they do have should go for the full freeway
buildout
You make the mistake (as you so often do) of talking all aspects of an
idea during brainstorming.  The whole idea behind brainstorming is to
bring out all ideas with as few constraints as possible before knocking
them down for various reasons (funding being one of those reasons)..  I
have no illusion that this will be built in the near future.  But that
doesn't mean that I cannot throw the idea around.  You seem to have a
problem with even throwing ideas around.  Don't be the wet blanket in
the crowd.

--Andy

I don't mean to be repetitive, but no one here had any idea the NvDOT
was NOT building the LV Beltway.

No one here had any idea how it was being funded.

Since it's a county route, one can assume that it's not using the
standard state mechanism.

No one here had any idea that the frontage roads were 100% finished or
that the row was 100% either.

I did.  I made up the route file for CC-215 in Tim's highway tracker.
Had to use the frontage roads where the freeway wasn't done.  Went with
it as far as it would go and turned out to do the full 3/4 loop back to
I-15.  I don't believe it's available to the masses in the browser yet
but that group is getting there.

If you want to consider fantasy roads, that is all well and good.

But my firm belief is that those fantasies should be based in reality.

There's a difference between 'fantasy' roads and possible solutions to
real problems.  Just because you think it's a fantasy doesn't make it so.

The LI-CT bridge would be a good example.

I cannot accede to just connecting two points together, with no other
consideration.

 >

Neither do I.  There are compelling reasons to complete the entire loop
in LV.

--Andy

I think Andy has a valid point here.

I-515 simply won't be able to adequately handle all of the mainline
traffic, as a result from future growth in the Las Vegas metro
region.  The only other east-west freeway in the valley, I-215, is
simply too far south with regards to future growth, northeast of
I-515.

And while the Vegas region is experiencing a major recession, in the
long-run, So Cal's still inflated housing prices will continue to
drive more folks from So Cal to resettle in Las Vegas.

you make some assumptions that I do not believe are correct

LV is the proverbial one trick pony

it has gambling and nothing else.

also you presume that someone will be willing to  pay those still
inflated so cal housing prices so that the recipients can relocate to
LV

if those said home owners in so cal take bargain basement prices just
to get out, that will further drive both the LV economy and the So Cal
economy down further

you, like Andy can come up with all the rationales you want

none of those rationales provide the funding to finance even the
design and row of said fantasies.

you, like Andy, and like most of mtr believe that we are going to have
the growth over the next 20-50 years that we had in the 60 years
since ww2.

and you are using the false belief to rationalize wonderous road const
equaling the original const of the interstate hwy system

My suggestion is look at where the US economy was in the early 1970's
to get an idea as to what we are headed for

And it may even be worse then that, as there are no longer any
profitable basic industries remaining, and we are living on totally
borrowed money

also you are assuming gas will never increase in price.

I believe that is incorrect.

The only thing that drove the price down is the extreme drop in
demand, in  the US, as well as China and India

given the above, my belief is to fund the full freeway buildout, and
no more.

after that everything should be devoted to maint, and reconstruction
of substandard roads and bridges.  On the interstates as well as the
primary and secondary roads.

Lets bring what we have into the 21st c

One more thing

you and Andy want a freeway that was apparently decided against, for I
belive good reasons

while this is truly needed and basically unfunded

http://www.bouldercitybypass.com/

lets do what is needed and bear in mind we cannot have everything, esp
when we are living on  borrowed money

True, we *are* living off of borrowed money, but so is the rest of the
world. Debt isn't always such a bad thing, either...many countries
have been, and continue to be prosperous, despite high debt-to-income
ratios. As long as you can grow an economy in the long-run (and with
the world population continuing to grow, that shouldn't be a problem),
a country like the U.S. should still be able to pay off its long-term
debt obligations.

As for the current state of the Las Vegas economy, yes, it's indeed
going through a major recession, but in the long run, Nevada's
business-friendly climate (low taxes are certainly a part of the
attraction), and it's proximity to Los Angeles, both with Interstate
15 and its air links, will continue to make it look attractive to
employers looking to relocate. The fact that about 60% of the job
base in the greater Las Vegas area has absolutely nothing to do with
the tourism or gambling industry should make my point clear.

Also, in the long run, as nanotechnology significantly improves gas
mileage for internal combustion engines in the coming decade (it
wouldn't surprise me to see a standard Honda Accord getting 45 MPG by
2020), coupled with hybrid and electric technologies....not to mention
viable alternates {such as oil from algae, which is literally more
than 3,000x more promising (think over 100,000 gallons of algae-based
oil, per acre, per year, vs. about 30 for ethanol) than corn-based
ethanol will ever be}, I'm not too worried about all the dooms-day
scenarios (I admit to being much more paranoid in the past)
surrounding peak oil.


-Brent




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