Re: Is it true that the Feds mandate "free" rest areas?

On Mar 30, 7:29 pm, Larry G <gross.la...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 30, 1:39 pm, "rshe...@xxxxxxxxx" <rshe...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Mar 29, 10:28 pm, Larry G <gross.la...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mar 29, 9:26 pm, "rshe...@xxxxxxxxx" <rshe...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

We have been thru this oh, so many times.

RM was an absolute genius, and a maker of his times in terms of
transportation.

But you have to remember the context of his times.

Cities like NY wanted express hwys, there was no opposition like
sprang up later.

Same with eminent domain, you got a letter advising you that the state
was taking your property.  You had a choice of accepting it, or going
to court.  BTW, you have 30 days to get out.

There were no environmental laws, and costs were cheap, labor was
cheap and plentiful.

yup....the times were different...  and simpler  but I think there was
opposition... rolled over in the early going and then later it
solidified...

" His career is summed up by his sayings "cities are for traffic" and
"if the ends don't justify the means, what does?"

"His critics claim that he displaced hundreds of thousands of
residents in New York City, uprooted traditional neighborhoods by
building expressways through them, contributed to the ruin of the
South Bronx and the amusement parks of Coney Island, caused the
departure of the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Giants Major League
baseball teams, and precipitated the decline of public transport
through disinvestment and neglect."

"Moses's reputation began to wane in the 1960s as public debate on
urban planning began to focus on the virtues of intimate neighborhoods
and smallness of scale. Around this time, Moses also started picking
political battles he could not win. His campaign against the free
Shakespeare in the Park received much negative publicity, and his
effort to destroy a shaded playground in Central Park to make way for
a parking lot for the expensive Tavern-on-the-Green restaurant made
him many enemies among the middle-class voters of the Upper West
Side."

safe to say ...not everyone agreed with your view...of him.. right?

Larry, re-read the first part if The Power Broker.

Read about how AND why he built Riverside Park.

He got the lumbering and murderous steam trains off the streets of the
west side of Manhattan.

Read about why he built the parkways to Long Island.

I am very familiar with his good AND his bad.

I lived in NYC, Brooklyn to be exact.

And you have to remember the history he came from.

The railroads and the traction interests that provided public
transportation were all powerful before WW2.

The individual private automobile was a way out of being dependent on
those interests.  In the 1950's and into the 60's it was not seen as
the monster it became.

Manhattan was always a traffic nightmare, going back to the 1700's.

You have a tremendous number if businesses necessitating thousands of
shipments and deliveries in an extremely small area.

Plus those businesses have thousands of employees.

Remember RM never saw a traffic jam, he never drove.

And in his models of his expwys the traffic was always free flowing.

Unfortunately that is what he truly believed.

He truly believed that the construction of the Lower Manhattan Expwy
would speed cars and trucks from the Holland Tunnel to the Manhattan
and Williamsburg Bridges.

And anyone opposing him was opposing progress.

I am not saying I believe that, but that is what he truly believed.

the quotes I provided came from Wiki...   looks like ya'll don't agree
with what is in Wiki... right?

Larry, I like Wiki, for a quick reference on a particular subject, say
demographics.

But it is not well received for the purposes you used it for.

If you want the authoritative source you have to read The Power Broker
by Robert Caro. Frankly you are doing the same thing the right wing
nutz like dum dum and kookie do.

Taking short references that really are not in context.

Please, read the Power Broker, and you will see. It is 1000+ pages,
and I could not put it down.

Please get back to us when you are done. It will be a great
discussion.

For starters you have no idea what Manhattan was like in the early
1900's
.

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