Re: OT: Wal-Mart says Vote Republican

Premier Bush wrote:
Rich Piehl wrote:
Premier Bush wrote:
Rich Piehl wrote:
Premier Bush wrote:
Rich Piehl wrote:
Premier Bush wrote:
Rich Piehl wrote:
Clark F Morris wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:42:06 -0500, Rich Piehl
<rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Free Lunch wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:52:03 -0500, Rich Piehl
<rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
misc.transport.road: much snipped

If, as the article tells us, they had hourly employees (that
includes supervisors) they violated the law. They may be able
to afford good lawyers, but they have a history of ignoring
their advice.
It's been a few years since I had to deal with it but when I
had to deal with unionization whether they were hourly
employees didn't determine it. The scope of their position
and supervision of employees did.
The Wall Street Journal article noted that they could be on
slippery ground. For the record I occasionally shop at Walmart
(closest one 30 - 40 miles, 45 minutes) here in Canada and like
their road atlas (I have the 2008 edition).
I'll give you questionable and that would be for the courts to
decide. Not somebody in a transportation newsgroup with a hate
of Wal Mart, an extreme left wing bent and no education in
labor law.
"Extreme left wing"? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Stalin, Pol Pot, and
Mao say 'hi'.


Lessee...
Stalin - Communist, branch of socialism, a left wing concept
Pol Pot - Communist, branch of socialism, a left wing concept
Mao - Communist, branch of socialism, a left wing concept

Yea, Free Lunch fits right in with that group.
Give me a URL that shows that "Free Lunch" committed genocide, sent
anyone to the gulag, etc.
You're the one that brought them up.

If you want to play the same game, Bush = Hitler.


Using your yardstick. Show me the URL that says Bush pushed people
into gas shower. I can show proof that says he prevented hundreds
of thousands of people (including children) from dying in Iraqi
prisons.
Show me the URL that says that "Free Lunch" committed genocide, sent
political opponents to the gulag, etc.

Rich, while I disagree with you on many points, you are usually well
spoken and you usually present your arguments in a rational,
respectable manner. But here, you're way off the mark and you are
sounding like a shrill kook. Is it because neither presidential
candidate appeals to you? Well, welcome to my world circa 2004.


While I'm frustrated with the choice of Presidential candidates. That's not my source of irritation in this case.

I am frustrated because I was told by someone who is very far left
that his position is the only one with any merit.

Then he's a "zealous left-winger". Not an "extreme left-winger". BIG difference.

If it was the
first time it had happened it would be one thing. But remember this
conversation I had with him less than one month ago?

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/95c8a69b68855959

I'll pull a couple of quotes from it:

>> Tony Snow's last job was to lie to the American people. That was a
pretty scuzzy thing to do too. Did he ever apologize to us for the
lies he told?
and:

I was comparing his death to Tony's. Both were involved in politics.
Both died recently. Both behaved in ways that are generally
condemned as immoral. I still have sympathy for their families, but
that is all. If there were a hell, they would both have earned a
place in it.
Who condemns them as immoral??? YOU??? How DARE you bring up
morality. You hate, hate, hate, and then you say someone else is
immoral? Who are you to say what's moral and what isn't? What makes your moral
compass so much better than anyone else's? Lots of people would say
the life of Tony Snow and Jesse Helms were completely moral. You
disagree with them on political grounds and suddenly they're
immoral!?!?
You don't have to commit genocide to be extreme left. Free Lunch is
far left in the same way as Howard Dean is far left.

Howard Dean far left? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Seriously, if these guys are "far left" then what do you call the despots that I've already mentioned?

And the most
aggravating part of it is anyone who brings it to light gets told they
are wrong. Well, I'm calling him on it. I called it on him then and
I'm calling him on it now. And if that makes me a shrill kook then so
be it. People are entitled to opinions, well thought out, that are
different than his. And that doesn't make them liars, or immoral or
sweat shop owners or writers for the funny pages. They just see
things differently and should be allowed to do so. He is supposed to
respect my position as much as I'm supposed to respect his and I
don't see that happening.

And having strong opinions doesn't mean you have extreme opinions. I wouldn't ever call you an "extreme right-winger" because it is simply untrue. And Free Lunch is far from an extremist as well.




Now see this is a matter of semantics and personal definitions

By my definition you can be a mass murdering dictator and not have extreme political views. That just make you a power hungry tyrant. Saddam Hussein falls into that category, as far as I know. To the best of my knowledge he didn't advocate socialism or other extreme far left views, nor did he advocate an ultra conservative agenda, like the Spanish Inquisition. Same for the Roman Emperors.

Apparently what I call extreme you call zealous. In my mind that means advocating a position at the far end of the spectrum of political thought, be it right or left. On the far left you have socialism and Communism and on the far right you have theocratic versions like the Taliban. Now either end of it can involve genocide, political prisoners and all that, but so can any position in the middle, as I pointed out in the previous paragraph.

And it would seem that Wikipedia shares my definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_left
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremism

Clear now?

Take care,
Rich

God bless the USA
--
Pat Paulsen (1927-1997) for President - 2008

Even though he's dead it makes about much sense
to vote for him as it does for the choices
that we have who are living. At least he's not
going change his position on anything.
.