Re: Longest time between project proposal and project execution

On Dec 23, 8:38 am, John Lansford <jlnsf...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
TheOneKEA <theone...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In Maryland, there are and were several highway projects that have
been in a state of almost-permanent planning for many years; many of
these projects were either passively planned for when a new route was
built (I-95/MD 100 interchange in 1971, MD 32 Dayton bypass in 1960s)
or explicitly planned for with ROW purchase (MD 10 freeway, MD 32
Patuxent Freeway, MD 30 Hampstead Bypass, and others come to mind).
However, due to community opposition, changing design standards, lack
of funds and other obstacles, many of these projects either took a
long time to get built in their entirety (MD 100 west of I-97 took
nearly 25 years, while MD 32 will take nearly 40!) or haven't been
built at all (MD 149 Windlass Freeway, MD 10 freeway south of MD 2,
and so on).

What are some other examples of DOTs with state highway projects that
have been on the books for very long times before being started, if at
all? Are there any projects that have been planned for longer than 40
years?

I've got one on my "to do" list that was conceived back in the 60's
and although a consultant is currently working on the preliminary
plans, won't be built in the far future.

John Lansford, PE
--
John's Shop of Woodhttp://wood.jlansford.net/

do we distinguish between serious proposals and concepts?

I don't think a project is serious unless it shows the cost and
updates that cost on an annual basis ... otherwise.. it's a paper
concept .. an "idea" that may or may not be practical or realistic.

Anyone can draw a line on a piece of paper. Just because highway
engineers do it also does not really mean a whole lot unless they get
"serious" about what it would actually take to build a project.

I'm not talking about 6yr plan projects but what is known as CLRP plan
projects which are "in theory" the transition from a concept/idea to a
serious proposal.

The CLRP has IIRC a 20-year window. That's a LONG time for a project
to be "seriously" considered.. prior to be moved to a 6yr construction
window.

Projects that are NOT in the CLRP truly are concept wish list
territory.

No?
.

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