Re: State sounds alarm over road funding

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On Jul 31, 3:26 pm, Rich Piehl
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On Jul 31, 12:38 pm, Rich Piehl
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pigsty1...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jul 30, 10:24 pm, Rich Piehl
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Free Lunch wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:05:31 -0500, in misc.transport.road
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Premier Bush wrote:
Rich Piehl wrote:
pigsty1...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
It is not anything I have not heard before. It is not ignorant,
it is reality based, so what are you worried about?
But I do disagree. A flat tax is inherently reqressive, that is
its main problem. IOW the less you make, the higher percentage
you pay. That is what is so regressive about sales taxes. Poor
people pay a higher percentage.
No, a 10% tax is a 10% tax. Whether you're making $5K a year or
$500K a year. What could be fairer than that?
It is horribly unfair, and you know it. 10% of $5K is $500, that
hurts a lot more to some one making $5K then 10% of $500K which is
$50,000. And that sir is one of the reasons it will never happen.
Ah, so what you're proposing is taking from the rich and for the
benefit of the poor? It's called socialism.
Sure it is, but so what? We already have socialism in this country.
Socialism isn't inherently bad, neither is capitalism or most other
non-totalitarian political systems.
For starters socialism doesn't work long term.
Depends what you mean. Certainly the investments the United States has
made as a nation have paid off very well. Fighting stupid wars has not.
Wars have nothing to do with it.
It drives investment off shore. It drives the wealthy off shore. It's
the reason companies farm out their call centers to India. It's cheaper
to do all that than to pay a higher level of tax to compensate for the
people that want to give things to the poor.
Rich that is absolute CRAP. There will always be tax havens like the
Cayman Islands, but the US is the safest most profitable place for
wealth. Maybe that is one of the reasons the Arabs invest in the US.
Business will always go where it is cheaper. Why do you suppose the
mills from Britian relocated in New England in the 1700's? Maybe
because that was where the raw materials were and labor was cheaper.
Bloomberg is staying here, Gates is staying here, Warren Buffett is
staying here, Google is staying here, even W-M is staying here. So
what wealth has fled???
Look at all of the Asian Indians that have gotten their education in
India and come to the US to practice medicine, or own and operate
businesses. If the US was so inhospitable to wealth they would not be
doing that.
The Koreans and other Asians are doing the exact same thing.
Rich, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Well, gee, Randy, you ask for my ideas, and then tell me my ideas are
crap, and I have no idea what I'm talking about, and I'm living in 1929
and do everything short of questioning my parentage.
There's really no point in continuing the discussion. You already know
every fact about everything, and nobody else's opinions or ideas matter.
It sounds for all the world to me like you you're pretty close minded
there...almost to the point of being a hate monger to anyone who
disagrees with you.
Take care,
Rich
God bless the USA
Rich I asked you for an idea on funding transportation and you gave me
the whole 9 yeards.
And you can keep trying to throw patches on a Model T of a system. It's
putting stopgap measures on rather than addressing the bigger problem.



You can believe anything you want, but I don't have to agree with it
and I can tell you why I disagree with you.
Yes, you can disagree. But you can do it in a respectful manner.
Saying I'm full of crap and I'm living in 1929 is not respectful.
That's the hateful part. Hateful to anyone that disagrees with you.

Take care,
Rich

God bless the USA

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And if I claim to be a wise man
it surely means that I don't know.

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We have had several tax law changes over the years, no one that I know
of in any legislative position has seriously proposed a flat rate
tax. It has never happened and it never will.

No matter what you think the US has always had a progressive tax
structure for all the reasons I have said.

And you're proving my point. We haven't had a tax overhaul. And it's long overdue.

I have no idea why you want to coddle high income people, but they do
not need coddling, not now, not ever. The entire government structure
is designed to protect wealth, why should they get more?

You tell me what happens on the current tax system. The rich can take advantage of all kinds of tax credits and exemptions and tax shelters and exempt investments. The poor don't have that opportunity because they don't have the money. That's not anything resembling a fair system.

You attempt to oversimplify everything, and I do not apprciate it.

Oversimply, no. Simplify, yes



You say a flat rate tax will solve all of our problems. It will not
and it will hurt a lot of people. I get the impression that you do
not care about them, only coddling the rich.


And BTW a 5% flat tax will not provide enough money for govt as we
know it, maybe that is one of the reasons you propose it, to starve
govt, and hurt people.


Strange, I never suggested a number. And I never said anything about starving government and hurting people. I never said anything about what levels and tax revenues ought to be. Yet you make a bunch of assumptions, jump to conclusions and start making accusations.

You think you are so right, Randy, that you are reading things that aren't there. And that's pretty close minded.

Take care,
Rich

God bless the USA


--
And if I claim to be a wise man
it surely means that I don't know.

--Kansas
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