Re: Rye-Oyster Bay Br--sister Bridge?

On Mar 7, 1:31 pm, "Rothman" <dnro...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 7, 1:07 pm, hanco...@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Mar 7, 8:08 am, "Rothman" <dnro...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

NYC hasn't adequately planned for drivers.

NYC wasn't built for drivers. They learned over a hundred years ago
that the city streets simply couldn't accomodate all the traffic and
it was a nightmare. So they built subways.

It should have been built for drivers.

There weren't drivers when the die was cast.

Wouldn't be able to find
parking driving to everywhere I needed to go.

Parking is the responsibility of the property owner of the place you
are visiting. My employer provides us parking--built a garage at very
significant expense. The business or residence you were visiting
should've built a garage or had enough land for parking spaces. Why
didn't they?

Because planners didn't allow them to or planners didn't provide the
environment within which to have parking come into being.

This sounds like people in middle age who say, "My wrongdoing is the
fault of a system did not provide an environment in which I could
flourish in my teenage years. Blame them."

Instead, I have to be
inconvenienced by having to take transit and waiting for them to show
up, rather than just being able to drive my car into a parking spot.

I find it more of an inconvenience to sit in traffic jams. The wear
and tear of such traffic is rough on my car as well as on me. The
time is totally wasted. I can't sit back and read the paper or do
work or take a nap. I have to focus on the two taillights in front of
me as well as those on the left side and right side (in case they cut
in front of me). Stop and go. Stop and go. Stop and go.

Then go around the traffic jam.

Society's problems, in other words, can be blamed on a majority that
isn't smart enough to realize the solutions. "People should know in
advance where the traffic is, and know the best ways around it."
Brilliant. This recalls the Massachusetts logic of, "If you needed a
sign, you clearly didn't plan ahead sufficiently."

At least on a train the time is mine. I can get up and move around if
I want. On some trains there are restrooms, some have food service.

Eh, waiting for a train stinks.

Waiting for anything stinks.

Rail's still more expensive to build than roads.

I don't know where you get that idea.

It's a fact.

The biggest cost--as explained
in this newsgroup--is land acquisition. The other construction costs
are roughly the same, you need a subbase, bridges, drainage, and a
surface.

Phooey.

The big advtg of rail over a highway is the narrow footprint. You
need much less land to move the same volume of people. You can also
squeeze a line down to fit it through constricted spaces; you can't do
that with a highway. You can build on top of a rail line, it's very
expensive to do so with roads due to safety needs and ventilation.

You need ventilation for subways as well.

You don't have land and you can't get it. So are you are gonna meet
the travel demands?

Eminent domain.

Are traffic jams even considered to be a 'problem' to be solved?

They are in my book.


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