Re: how will they evacuate New Orleans?

{STP} wrote:
> In article <1125771932.012229.318800@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> "k_flynn@xxxxxxxxx" <k_flynn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Hello back.
>
> Hi!
>
> > A total evacuation of New Orleans organized in an
> > afternoon,
>
> A plan should have already been in place. The warning came 48 hours in
> advance of landfall.

See other posts for already settled correction to your error.

> > when the path and power of the storm to hit that night
>
> Correction: 48 hours.

Ibid.

> > became apparent (and even if a total evac had been decided Friday or
> > Saturday, you're talking near impossibility). New Orleans itself has a
> > half million people. The metro area is a million three or so.
> > You watch too much TV or movies.
>
> With the exception of the new, I watch very little TV and rarely attend
> a movie (and never a disaster movie).

Still, you seem to be relying too much on your memory of TeeVee past or
movies past when Pierce Brosnan or Wesley Snipes or Harrison Ford or
some hero saves the city at the very cusp of destruction. Ain't
happenin' that way in real life.

> > This is real life.
>
> Exactly.

We have a Bingo!!

> > Where do all these people go
> > on the spur of the moment?
>
> The Superdome? That was a brilliant idea, now wasn't it?

Your hindsight is crystal clear. Foresight is not so easy. BTW, you do
realize the Superdome was announced as a shelter of last resort, not
the preferred solution?

> > What do they eat?
>
> What did they eat at the Superdome?

Little or nothing. BTW, if CNN and other networks could be there,
coming and going, reporting on the emerging tragedy of starvation and
deprivation, how come no authorities could get spam or water or MREs
there for FOUR days?

And these are the people you thought could forcibly evac 1.3 million
people in 12 hours? Your misplaced trust in gummint is duly noted.

> You know, if they had been a couple of hundred miles from NO after the
> storm, it would have been a heck of a lot easier to feed them.

And your plan to have gotten them there .... erasing all you now know
from hindsight ... would be what? Include the several thousand
residents of several hundred nursing homes and other care facilities;
critically ill in hospitals; the working poor, indigent, and other
relatively immobile populations. Include to where you remove them and
ensure adequate food, water, shelter and toilet paper. Write that
solution here:
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> > Many people -- sick,
> > elderly, poor, whatever -- had no means to leave and nowhere to go.
>
> The mayor sat on his hands when it came to helping the elderly and poor.
> He had a municipal and school bus system at his disposal, yet he dropped
> the ball completely.

Oh he had all those buses immediately available, did he? Cite please.
Were the drivers just standing by with their keys saying, "Why won't
Nagin send us in?" All the fuel lined up for this unprecedented action?
Your hindsight again is much better than anyone's foresight.

> The sick could have gone to hospitals, which were prepared for the
> disaster, but not for the psychopaths that ran loose afterwards.

And these hospitals were where? Hundreds of patients moved on several
hours' notice? Pure fantasy.

> > What, they should hop in the family Truckster and just bop up to
> > Memphia to stay in a hotel for four months before going home? A fry
> > cook and his wife and kids? Where's the resources? There's probably not
> > enough metro and school buses on hand to deal with the entirety of
> > those left behind anyway.
>
> You're right. There probably weren't enough buses for EVERYONE. However,
> tens of thousands could have been evacuated with relative ease had the
> buses been put into action 48 HOURS in advance, when the warning came.

Uh-oh. That 48 thing again.

> > Where do you get all the bus drivers from for your afternoon
> > million-plus evac operation?
>
> As I'm sure you've heard, an 18-year-old grabbed a bus on his own and
> saved dozens. He had never driven a bus, but he made it happen.

OK, That's one. Where are the other 2,300 coming from, ignoring their
need to save their own families?

BTW, I haven't heard about this 18 yr old's story. Can you post a link?
I am unsure whether to accept your word alone.

> Do you think poor blacks are so helpless that they can't find one person
> in 70 to drive a bus?

Why is poor and black necessary to your question?

You're not thinking. No notice, no buses, no plan, no marshaling sites,
no organization to this... So one kid commandeered a bus, how do you
translate this into thinking everyone should have just done this when
there aren't all these buses?

> > With police officers turning in their
> > badges rather than doing their jobs, do you think the bus drivers would
> > have abandoned their families Sunday afternoon to drive 42 other people
> > to Tennessee?
>
> See above.

How does that answer the question? It doesn't.
>
> And how many turned in their badges before the storm hit?

Before? Likely none. How does that help move a single more person out
of SE Louisiana when the order comes only hours before the wind and
rain begin to blow in? At that point, there ARE police officers
following the self-preservation instinct for themselves and their
families, understandably.

> > Look at it this way: Even now, seeing and knowing the extent of the
> > crisis, all of the available resources of the federal, state and what's
> > left of local governments -- helicopters, planes, boats, troops -- they
> > couldn't even managed to get canned spam and bottled water to people
> > starving and dying by the dozens before the eyes of newspaper and TV
> > reporters (who managed to get to the sites even if authorities couldn't
> > figure it out).
>
> Newsflash: The devestation wasn't restricted to NO. Should everyone else
> hit be completely ignored?

Please don't become a journalist if you think that's a newsflash. Where
on earth did I ever suggest that anyone outside New Orleans be ignored?

> > So you still think one mayor could have thrown together a complete
> > evacuation of a major American city on Sunday afternoon?
>
> Goddamnit! Pay attention. He had 48 HOURS advance warning!!!

Goddammit! You've conceded your error already on this point. I'm
preserving the response here for Google posterity.

> > Get real.
>
> You need to get real. Acknowledge the 48 hour warning.

Ibid again.

> > There is deserved criticism to be leveled at Bush, who played
> > a round of golf on MONDAY as the storm was raging and people began to
> > DIE, strummed a guitar at a photo op on TUESDAY on Coronado by San
> > Diego as the greater crisis was evident and at hand,
>
> Agreed.
>
> > then went back to
> > Crawford -- avoiding Cindy Sheehan again --
>
> Oops. You've just revealed yourself to be a kook. ***, I've wasted all
> this time arguing with an idiot.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA! Even some GOPers think he was stupid to not go out and
defuse the Cindy issue at the very beginning, fool. You be da kook! You
and your "48 hours" insistence. You don't even look anything up first,
so you, Mr. Armchair?

> > and got religion on
> > friggin' WEDNESDAY before he returned to DC to show some leadership.
> > Did he get to read the rest of My Pet Goat
>
> At this point, all I can reasonably be expected to do is to tell you to
> *** off.

And that would be because your case is shot full of holes and sinking
faster than the City of New Orleans.

Thanks for playing!

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