Re: Serious, moderate discussion about Wesley Snipes



JackneySneeb@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jul 13, 3:28 pm, nat <esen...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

For instance, logic is the science of good and bad reasoning. 'Good
and bad' is used in the sense of valid and faulty. Those are not
value judgments.

Wrong. Logic is a science based on sound reasoning.

A science of what?


It is amazing how all your arguments rely upon semantics.

Debates are mostly about semantics - like haggling over what "good"
and "right" and "government" mean.


Elevated debates are about IDEAS.
I can't even get past the infantile word games you play.


We're back to the contradiction again. Why would you
want to subordinate your own subjective idea of right and wrong to a
bunch of subjective other people - the worst kind, politicians - to
make commandments for you to obey?
I don't do that, numbnut.

You don't profess to be subject to "the law"?


A govt of laws not men is way beyond your level of understanding?



Answer the question: How does it follow that "government" is proper
because it adheres to the fact that conflict exists?

a) it is axiomatic that people have disputes with other people
b) the purpose of govt is to resolve disputes
c) proper govt serves its stated purpose

d) therefore, since ed senter believes a, b, and c are true, then it
follows that there is no more conflict. Either that, or "proper
government" is a [subjective] pipe dream.


Do you know the difference between resolving disputes and eliminating
disputes altogether?
The difference is like night and day.


Is conflict a symptom or is it the disease?

It is a condition.

Are there people who NEVER experience conflict?

Beats me.

You just said it is a condition so the answer is NO.


Would people have conflict if "government" existed?


Yes,

If you are honest, that is the basis of your belief system.

What belief system??? I stated YOUR belief correctly - might makes
right. Now can you state mine correctly? I won't hold my breath.


Your system is 'might makes right'.
The difference between me a you is that I know I am in that group.
However, you live in a state of hypocrisy.


"There is conflict not because people are flawed. There is conflict
because of the people who are flawed."

Yet another distinction without a difference.


The difference is like night and day.

And you insist the way
to remedy conflict is to put those people who are flawed in charge of
vast amounts of weapons and money and ask them to MAKE you behave
yourself under the theory that might makes right. And you think I'm
insane?

No, I say put the LAW in charge. We have a govt of law not men.


In other words, despite the attempt to create a "government" to
resolve the conflict, anarchy still exists. Your own brand of logic
still comes to the same conclusion as mine.
You are limiting the meaning of "anarchy" to conflict.

No, I am not. I am including "conflict" as one of the properties of
anarchy, and there are lots of others.


Iced tea and hot tea both contain tea. The difference is their
temperature.
The difference between anarchy and govt is that govt has rules.


You don't resolve conflict b eliminating the conflict. You resolve
conflict by providing a remedy for when conflict happens.

By putting flawed human beings whose passions won't allow them to
conform to the dictates of reason and justice in charge of tanks,
artillery, fighter and bomber aircraft, and atomic bombs. Marvelous
solution, ed.


No, numbnut. By putting both the governed and the govt under the law.



All you have are semantics, lies, and hate, little boy malloy.
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