Re: Serious, moderate discussion about Wesley Snipes.

On Jul 2, 12:54 pm, nat <esen...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
JackneySn...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jul 1, 9:04 pm, nat <esen...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Violence is the ABUSE of force.

Wrong.

If you are going to make up definitions to fit your argument,
intelligent discourse with you is impossible.

An earthquake is violent. Explain how that is "an abuse of force."

Liar.

Might is right is a moral issue.
Might makes right decides who gets to determine what morality is in
vogue.

What's the difference?

The Mafia backs its threats with lethal violence. Name a "government"
that doesn't:
__________________________________

USA

You're on drugs.

No, they are not. People build roads with private fund. People can
build and maintain roads without taxes.
Key word there is "people". When individuals pool their funds and
talents under a set of guidelines, that is called GOVT, duh.
No, it isn't - that's called "insurance."
Insurance is shared risk to some and a business adventure to others,
numbnut.

Yes: as "when individuals pool their funds and talents under a set of
guidelines" to avert risk, and some people make money off it.

When a gang says "Give us
your money or we won't protect you from us," it's called "extortion."
You finally got something right.

You finally understand the nature of the state.

"Government" isn't insurance: "Government is force." ~George
Washington
See, it ain't violence.

State force is violence. Q.E.D.

Just because you cannot
imagine a world where people build things without armed robbery
doesn't mean armed robbery is necessary for people to build stuff.
I don't have to "imagine" it. It is all around me. Govts collecting
taxes for the benefit of the public.
You cannot imagine how people could build stuff without a gang of
lawyers, armed thugs, and con artists running a protection racket,
Yes, I can imagine it. I just will not resort to the sort of
intellectual lying that you love so much.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.

People
build roads. (D-uh) They can and will build roads to get from point a
to point b whether they are robbed to pay for them or not. Roads
existed before the idea of "government."
But PUBLIC roads and property rights can not exist without govt.
How can property rights exist WITH a government if government requires
armed force to steal people's stuff?
Govt doesn't "steal people's stuff", but govt does use force to
control scofflaws and free-loaders.
I suppose that means you would have been on the side of the
"government" against those scofflaws in the American Revolution, then,
just like the other anti-American IRS Collaborators in here.
You haven't been listening, liar.

You haven't said anything but "might-makes-right."

How is that related to the question? Who builds the dams, beaver
"governments"?
When loaded questions contains error, the error must first be
corrected.

Failure to answer the question noted.

All corporations enter an agreement with the state to collect taxes
from employees and customers and in return the state offers them
special market protection like "limited liability" that ordinary
businessmen don't get. The state is a protection racket, after all.
"Limited liability" is not a condition of paying taxes. Corporations
pay taxes because the general laws impose taxes just like the general
laws impose taxes on everyone.

It is tit for tat. The difference between corporations and the rest
of us is the corporations agreed, by way of contracting to
incorporate, to COLLECT taxes. The rest of us never agreed to PAY
[income tax].

Show me one corporate charter that stipulates the hows and wherefores
for the payment of taxes.
You're saying corporations are above the law?
I am saying that you know squat about law, and to the extent you get
something right, you distort it.

I have actually read some of the laws - you haven't.

You have been reading too many tax protester comic books.
I've written more books than you've ever read.
Your fantasy trash is something to brag about?

It's more than you have to brag about.

It's not robbery when both
sides have made an agreement that each will perform his part of the
bargain.
Well, We the People firmly planted taxes in the charter of govt for
the USA. It is right there in the Constitution.
"The People" is a fallacy called ambiguous collective.
We the People of the United States are not ambiguous.

Who are the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence?
Who are the people who wrote the constitution?
Who are the people who signed the Declaration of Independence?
Who are the people who signed the constitution?
Who are the people who fought for the British in the American
Revoluiton?
Who are the people who are FOR abortion?
Who are the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence?
Who are the people who are AGAINST abortion?
Who are the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence?
Who are the people who voted for George Bush?
Who are the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence?
Who are the people who didn't vote?
Who are the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence?
Who are the people who voted for Ralph Nader?
Who are the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence?
Who are the people who joined the Weather Underground?
Who are the people who joined the KKK?

Are they all the same people?

There really
is no such entity as "the people" that can be identified as operating
as one mind and singleness of purpose. You didn't write or even sign
the constitution. No one alive did.
That is where IMPLIED CONSENT kicks in. A concept that totally
destroys your philosophy.

You are mistaking your own inferred consent - consent that YOU assumed
on YOUR behalf - with you consenting for everyone else. You cannot
consent for me. Your delusion can't destroy a logical argument.

It's just a piece of paper, and
like the bible is open to interpretation, which makes it inevitable
that everyone has his own interpretation of what it says.
That's why it provides for a Supreme Courtl

And the Supreme Court ruled that slaves were property of their
owners. So much for their judgment.

Like the
bible, it has no real power to make people behave, especially
politicians.
That's why it is remedial in nature.

That's why it's purely a matter of subjective interpretation, just
like the bible. See:
http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm for a complete
debunking of your theory.

This "we the people" nonsense is pure propaganda -
poppycock.
It beats your anarchy fantasy.

Would George Bush be president if "government" existed?
Would "Honest Bill" Clinton have been president if "government"
existed?
Would the US have created the Vietnam War if "government" existed?
Would Nazi Germany have perpetrated the holocaust if "government"
existed?
Would OJ, Michael Jackson, and Robert Blake have been set free while
Martha Stewart went to jail, if "government" existed?
Either "government" is a myth, or it is a wicked son of a bitch.
Either way, it's not worth believing in.

No I do not. Show me anything I've ever said that means "might makes
right." Anything.
I can't do that

No shit.
You're toast, ed.
--Jackney Sneeb
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