Re: Terrorized by 'War on Terror'

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:57:07 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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hot-ham-and-cheese@xxxxxxxxxxx reported Elvis on Tue, 4 Mar 2008
04:00:42 -0800 (PST) in misc.survivalism :
On Mar 4, 7:53 am, pyotr filipivich <ph...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[Default] I  missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
hot-ham-and-che...@xxxxxxxxxxx  reported Elvis on Mon, 3 Mar 2008
16:13:52 -0800 (PST) in misc.survivalism :
The kids would need the support, either active or tacit of their
neighbors and friends to blend in. Ala Iraq. Also notice in Iraq, that
more and more tangos are being turned by their neighbors.

My biggest concern would be the safety of innocent Muslim-Americans,
Sikhs and so forth, who might be mistaken or treated  for tangos.

        I fear for Mexicans, for Christian Arabs, and even Democrats.

True, once the sweep starts, it could expand to wrong-thinking people
such as your latter group.

        What concerns me is not the "sweep", but the suddenly "patriotic"
gang banger, who decides to get "one of Them" and shoots a Samoan home
on leave because the shooter is too stupid to know the difference.

Samoans tend to be slightly larger in girth than your average Saudi or
Somalian.

I doubt the ignorant will know that. Not unless they've actually
survived an encounter with a Samoan. :-)

Most wont actually kill you. However..that 6 months in a body cast
will make you wish you were dead.


Can we add druggies and gang members to the list?

        How can you not? Worse, considering the international connections
of some of the gangs (MS 13 anyone), I've no doubt that there will be
"third party" players, who will attempt a little warlordism of their
own.

They will likely die.

Eventually, they will. But considering that the blue counties
still consider terrorism to be a police matter, and gangs to be a
cultural phenomenon, how many of them will die before they figure out
the difference?

        The real losers will be the rest of us.  There will go the rule of
law, there will go the Civil Liberties the ACLU claims they are so
concerned to protect.  Civil Wars are messy things.

Once the hard work is done, people will go back to their daily lives.

True. Will "go back." I know that as WW2 wound down, there was
concern that the camp guards might not re-assimilate back into normal
society. For the most part, they did. For the rest, there was the
French Foreign Legion.

The Legion de Estrange..was largely made up of Waffen SS troopers for
15 or more years after the end of WW2. A large segment, Ive heard
that most, of the French troops in Vietnam after the French took it
over again after the war, were Germans, under French command. Im aware
of a couple shopkeepers/bar owners in Nam, who late at night, in their
cups, would gather the other older patrons around, put on records,
break out the beer, and tearfully sing the Horst Wessel


I am concerned, that currently, the "status quo ante" will still
hold that a big government is necessary. That seems to be the
consensus in both political parties - both sides see it as the
Government's role to do things for you. Or too you.

        I remember thinking, after I saw "Red Dawn", what sort of changes
occurred in US culture, both in the occupied and unoccupied areas?  I
would imagine a similar "crackdown", as anyone who had been center
left about national security (in all arenas) would be detained in
protective custody. The ACLU, the Southern Poverty Law Center, La
Raza, etc, would be lucky to just get their phone calls monitored.  (I
also wondered about how far south the US Army went on the counter
attack, and where the de facto border became.  But I digress.)

Again I ask, what rights have I lost?

None yet. Save the constraints on speech (McCain-Feingold,
"speech codes" on campuses, etc. I'm listening to recordings of the
Rat Pack, and their banter. That would not be acceptable by Modern
Approvers of Right Thought.)


Indeed. There is only freedom of speech, if its Liberal Speech.

Gunner





"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the *** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
.