Re: Torture

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:00:38 -0800, phil scott wrote:

On Nov 19, 1:29 am, Curly <curly.is....@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:44:56 -0800, phil scott wrote:
On Nov 18, 8:18 pm, Curly <curly.is....@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
As we've seen there are a number of individuals here, and in government,
who claim that "America does not torture." A subset of these claim that
these actions are actually legal. Here is the law:

* United States Code, TITLE 18, Section 2340

Section 2340. Definitions

As used in this chapter -
(1) "torture" means an act committed by a person acting under
the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical
or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering
incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his
custody or physical control;
(2) "severe mental pain or suffering" means the prolonged
mental harm caused by or resulting from -
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of
severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened
administration or application, of mind-altering substances or
other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or
the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be
subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the
administration or application of mind-altering substances or
other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or
personality; and

(3) "United States" includes all areas under the jurisdiction
of the United States including any of the places described in
sections 5 and 7 of this title and section 46501(2) of title 49.

Section 2340A. Torture

(a) Offense. - Whoever outside the United States commits or
attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to
any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be
punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.
(b) Jurisdiction. - There is jurisdiction over the activity
prohibited in subsection (a) if -
(1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or
(2) the alleged offender is present in the United States,
irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged
offender.

(c) Conspiracy. - A person who conspires to commit an offense
under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other
than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the
offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.

Section 2340B. Exclusive remedies

Nothing in this chapter shall be construed as precluding the
application of State or local laws on the same subject, nor shall
anything in this chapter be construed as creating any substantive
or procedural right enforceable by law by any party in any civil
proceeding.

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By any objective reading of the underlying United States law it is obvious
that our government has committed high crimes. This includes the
Executive, Judicial and Legislative branches.

It is time for treason trials.

-- Regards, Curly
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..that was rather clear and to the point... we degrade those we force
to participate in such crimes to the core of their being...that
spreads then through the entire culture as we condone it or fail to
speak up... such inhumanity then becomes a terminal disease.. an issue
I had the opportunity to flog before congress a while back. they
asked why I was speaking up at such severe cost to my career. I told
them culturing a lack of integrity would ruin americas root stock..
etc. that was in 1993 approx.

we have become a nation run by criminally insane morons. imo. the
world will not forget, each of our children will be shaped by
it...the karma will be unavoidable.

Criminally insane, agreed, but not morons. Some are evil genius'.

May I inquire how and why you testified before Congress?


I was retained supposedly to do engineering analysis for a DoD nuclear
weapons site and *charged with responsibilty for providing a viable
solution to some exceedingly nasty radioactive contamination
problems... that was a smoke screen to get my signature on a stack of
bogus safety sign off documents. now to be sure, I am no damn
sweetheart... I might have signed off on a lot of that,..but when i
investigated these people threatened me, and let me know that if i
didnt just sign, my career would be over....i simply saw sparks, stood
up and left the room... for whatever reason I dont cope will with that
sort of thing, also from my flat tracking career personality, catering
ot slime balls was not an option.. hoding the throttle wide open going
into the turn though was an option so it got really mean, jerks with
guns came around and all that. silkwood is a good (and accurate)
film on the general scene...she was miurdered on her way to testify..
I called her father in texas after my testimony and the aftermath
(those contaminated, 6,000 or so got burial and medical expenses, not
much but prior to that many of these were dying with no help in the
worst ways)...

I also got much of the spin re contamination (inhaled particles) vs
mere radiation into the public. (contamination puts point source
radiation onto a few cells... where dna damage causes cancer... mere
radiation is *difuse, the same amount of rads produce drastically
different effects for that reason. its interesting also that
injecting pu solution into a bunch of terminal cancer patients
actually reversed the cancer in most cases ( late 40's experiment....
not particles you see..but ions...enough to trigger an immune response
but not enough to radiate a cell sufficiently to ionize dna)



I told him I owed his daugher a lot....her attempt failed because she
had the original documents with her..and of course those
dissapeared....mind didn't.


btw I an not an anti nuclear guy at all... especially not against
nuclear power, its risk and net contamination potential is a bilionth
that of what burning coal produces.. the nuc weapons were inevitable,
Im glad we got them first... contamination at the weapons labs while
criminal imo was not even grating on my nerves too badly...(its been
on 60 minutes 4 or 5 iimes)... it was the threats that burnt my ass.

It is such corrupt management that ruins engineeers, and turns good
men into cowards... and destroys the fabric of a nation. i totally
relished cutting there balls off.



Phil Scott

Congradulations for retaining your integrity. I once ran a similar
gauntlet however it had nothing to do with public health. I was director
of engineering when the startup was bought out be a midwestern corporation.

Their management demanded that I sign off on production release of a first
generation engineering prototype. Whoever signed off was a willing
scapegoat, I refused and was fired the same afternoon with my career in
tatters.

Thereafter I refused corporate emply and spent the last 25 years
consulting.

I admire your bravery.

-- Regards, Curly
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