Re: Bush......worst ever?

On 27 Mar 2006 15:21:48 -0800, jpsmith123@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On 27 Mar 2006 03:30:31 -0800, jpsmith123@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

In a way, Bush may be the best thing for America: He's doing more to
bring down the abominable American Empire than any foreign enemy could
hope to do.

Which Empire are you refering to? Microsoft?

The American Empire, obviously.


Really? Our distant colonies and satrappies are where again?

At the rate he's going, in three more years, what's left of the
American economy will be gone, the imperial armed forces will be in
ruins, America will have no credibility left at all, and will probably
have few if any remaining client states and/or political allies. (And
hopefully, when the American Empire dies, then so too will the Zionist
parasite infecting it).

Odd..we appear to be on an economic rising tide.

Appearances can be deceiving.

Indeed. I had you pegged for a semi normal human being. Pity I was in
error.

Whats left of the
Clinton economy appears to have turned around and is doing quite well.
Growing with one of the lowest unemployment rates in history, with a
very good GDP and states are now thinking of how to spend all their
surplus tax dollars.

Here's a brief summary of the Bush economy, by Paul Craig Roberts,
former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan
administration, former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal
editorial page, and Contributing Editor of National Review.

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts03102005.html

"The February payroll jobs figures released last Friday by the Bureau
of Labor Statistics show a continuation of America's descent into a
third world service economy.

The Bush administration cheered the creation of 229,000 private sector
jobs (which still leaves Bush with a net private sector job loss during
his reign). However, once we look at the details, the joy vanishes:
174,000 of the jobs, or 76% of the total, are in nontradable services.

Administrative and waste services (largely temporary help and
employment services) account for 61,000 or 35% of the new service jobs.
The remainder are accounted for by construction (30,000), retail trade
(30,000), healthcare and social assistance (27,000), and waitresses and
bar tenders (27,000).

The US has apparently lost the ability to create high productivity,
high value-added jobs in tradable goods and services. The ladders of
upward mobility are being dismantled by offshore production for home
markets and outsourcing of knowledge jobs.


Odd..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/26/AR2006032600878.html


The BLS reports that the number of employed US technical workers has
fallen by 221,000 in six major computer and engineering job
classifications during 2000-2004. The largest drops were suffered by
computer programmers, followed by electrical and electronics engineers,
computer scientists and systems analysts.

Of course. And where are all the skilled buggy whip and harness makers
these days?

So much for the new economy that economists promised would take the
place of the lost manufacturing economy.

It has.

Btw..we still are the most productive manufacturing nation on the
planet..and we are still the largest exporter of manufactured goods in
the world.

We work smarter, with fewer employees than any other nation on the
planet and yet outproduce every other nation.

Did I mention I work in the Manufacturing industry as a high tech
service tech?

America's remaining job market is domestic nontradable services. While
India and China develop first world job markets, the US labor market
takes on the characteristics of a third world work force. Only jobs
that cannot be outsourced are growing.

When you done need crank turners to manufacture widgets..the crank
turner jobs go to economies where crank turning is still profitable.

The Bush economy has seen a loss of 2.8 million manufacturing jobs, a
rise in the unemployment rate of 1.2 percentage points, and a
stagnation in real weekly earnings.

See above.

How bad will things have to get before economists realize that
outsourced jobs are not being replaced? Indeed, many American companies
are ceasing to have any presence in the US except for a sales force.

Most of those outsourced jobs are dying on the vine in those turd
world nations as well..they are simply not needed anymore.

In the 1960s..Boeing had huge factories with thousands of men and
women running manual machine tools. Lets say a shift of 300 would
turn out 3000 parts a day.

Enter high speed machining centers.

In 2006..Boeing has huge factories that only have a few high tech
machining centers with 10 operators that turn out 6000 parts a day.

Oh oh..we had a net loss of 290 jobs. But we doubled production.

Now I ask you again..where did all those highly skilled buggy whip and
harness makers go? Farriers? Street cleaners whose sole job was to
sweep up horse manure from our city streets. Where did they go?

The smart ones..kept abreast of emerging technologies..say..the
gasoline engine..and became mechanics and well drillers and went to
work for Ford Motor Co.

The dumb ones..well...shrug.

Cisco's CEO, John Chambers, declared recently: "What we're trying to do
is outline an entire strategy of becoming a Chinese company."

Cisco is establishing a new R&D center in Shanghai. The US corporation
manufactures $5 billion of products in China where it employes 10,000
people.

Ayup..and those 10,000 people earn yearly the equivelent of one shifts
bennies package in a single small factory in the US.

Are you suggesting we force manditory cuts on US workers benifits and
wages so they can be competative with $5 a week turd world employees?

That is just one company, and there are many doing the same thing. The
result is abandonment of the American work force by American
corporations. Little wonder the Bush administration is the first
administration in 70 years to have a net loss of private sector jobs.

Actually..that occured in Clintons administration, but thats the world
economy growing. Shrug

If one US company or a few move offshore, their profits improve and
consumer prices are lower. However, when work in general moves
offshore, American lose the incomes associated with the production of
the goods they consume. Domestic production is turned into imports,
with the result that America draws down its accumulated wealth in order
to pay for the imports on which it is dependent.


Yes indeed. So what do you suggest? Keeping the Turd World down on the
farm and unable to compete in manufacturing?

The dollar's value and status as reserve currency cannot forever stand
the trade and budget deficits that are now part and parcel of America's
economic policy.

Unless there are major changes soon, America's economic future is a
third world work force with a banana democracy's worthless currency".

That about sums it up.


Since it's clearly not just Bush but the whole corrupt American
plutocracy that's at fault, I say give Bush all the rope he needs to
finish the job.


I see you bitching..but Where oh where is your proposal to change
things?

Say..you arent a buggy whip maker..are you?

Gunner




Actually..most ofl the bad shit appears to have been fostered by the
Democrat politicians in recent history

They're all bad, obviously, but Bush is even worse; far worse.

..and yes..we do have enough
rope, and lamp posts to correct past injustices.

Since you appear to be a back of those politicians, we will get around
to you eventually. Just picture your desicated corpse hanging from a
lamp post, with the ravens picking the flesh from your face.

Well, right now it's running about 2:1 against you, so you might as
well pick out which lamp post you want to hang from, chumpy.


Works for me.

Perhaps, but that's only because you've lost your grip on reality.

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
.

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