Re: Avian influenza Know how

zadoc wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:45:33 +1100, myal <Dumaree@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in <441d445e$1_3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :

|>zadoc wrote:
|>> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:40:49 +1100, myal <Dumaree@xxxxxxxxxxx>
|>> wrote in <441cd2c4_3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :
|>> |>> |>Richard Lewis wrote:
|>> |>> "lopez176" <jefflopez176@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
|>> |>> |>> |>> |>> |>>>Avian influenza refers to a large group of different influenza viruses
|>> |>>>that primarily affect birds. On rare occasions, these bird viruses can
|>> |>>>infect other species, including pigs and humans. The vast majority of
|>> |>>>avian influenza viruses do not infect humans. An influenza pandemic
|>> |>>>happens when a new subtype emerges that has not previously circulated
|>> |>>>in humans. For this reason, avianH5N1 is a strain with pandemic
|>> |>>>potential, since it might ultimately adapt into a strain that is
|>> |>>>contagious among humans. Once this adaptation occurs, it will no longer
|>> |>>>be a bird virus, it will be a human influenza virus. Influenza
|>> |>>>pandemics are caused by new inlfuenza viruses that have adapted to
|>> |>>>humans.
|>> |>> |>> |>> |>> |>> "Once this adaptation occurs...."
|>> |>> |>> |>> I believe the proper word is "if".
|>> |>> |>> |>> ral
|>> |>> |>> |>> |>> |>> |>> |>
|>> |>
|>> |>There may well be reason to their wording .
|>> |>
|>> |>There has been again and again on the media here scientists saying that |>> |>to modify the virus in a lab is esy and not a problem to be done , but |>> |>to have it happen naturaly is near on impossible , definitely not |>> |>something to worry about .
|>> |>> I wouldn't agree with this, as, AFIK, all human flu variants have
|>> originated in birds, as a casual look at the literature will tell
|>> you.
|>> |>
|>AKAIK I get the flu from the kids . who pick it up at school .
|>
|>Eradicating kids should fix the problem

Only partially, as you can pick it up from other adults as well.
Then too, eradicating kids seems a pretty extreme solution, even
from you. :-)


You dont have foster kids .. youll not understand untill you do .


|>
|>> We are well overdue for a major human pandemic, and the fatality
|>> rate is likely to be high. |>> |>> Skeptics such as Ral and yourself might want to review your life
|>> insurance policies if you care about those left behind...if there
|>> are any.
|>> |>> |>
|>> |>I believe the wording is right when they say önce it occurs" the |>> |>question is only going tobe whois responsible for it ...
|>> |>> And just do how do you plan to distinguish between a "natural"
|>> mutation and an "artificial" mutation??
|>> |>> ....And if you could somehow do this, just how would you decide
|>> who was responsible?
|>> |>
|>Why would I care ?

Well, for a start, there are diseases and conditions particular
to certain racial groups, to name a couple of examples sickle
cell anemia in African Blacks, Tay-Sach disease in Jews.

However, there are lots more if you want to look them up.

Now, of course, if we take something like sickle cell anemia, it
has long been known . A Google search on the string
sickle cell anemia will get you around 2,850,000 responses

Now, this can cause a lot of problems. You can find references
at whatever medical level you can understand, but basically it is
one of those defects which around 10% from memory is carried by
about 10% of African and American Blacks. That is, they have a
chromosomal disposition for it.

Not normally a problem unless two marry who carry the same
chromosomal defect, in which case their children will likely have
much more severe problems.

The following site will give you a reasonable rundown.
http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition=sicklecellanemia

Why hasn't the disorder disappeared from the genetic
population? Well, one reason is that having a single chromosomal
defect for it provides some protection against malaria, which
also kills a lot of people.

However, the only point of raising it here is that suppose that
instead of being discovered many decades ago that it recently
developed, and had a higher death rate.

Then there would be suspicions that it was a genetically
engineered disease designed to reduce the world black population.

Now, a much better disease is one that became common public
knowledge much more recently, an immune deficiency disease such
as HIV/AIDS.

Now actually we know that it was around decades ago as well,
although not really understood until the last couple of decades.

Still, there are a surprisingly high percentage of people who
believe that it is a disease specifically developed to rid the
world of homosexuals.

Most think this nonsense, but a lot of people believe in such
nonsense.

So, Myal, all I am really trying to do is answer your concern of
why something like "human to human" transmission of bird flu
should for some obscure reason only affect Caucasians, some
Orientals, Negroid's, etc, but there were _NO_ recorded cases of
human to human transmission among Australians.

Now, sure, this is an extreme example, and a pretty far-fetched
one at that, and there would probably be a perfectly natural
reason for it based on genetic makeup....which we really don't
know all that much about yet.

We don't even know why some people become alcoholics and drug
addicts and most don't. Or why some cigarette smokers develop
cancer early in life and some smoke until they die at age 105 or
something.

However, lets suppose for a moment that some brilliant
Australoid Aboriginal genetically modifies a bird flu for human
to human to human transmission, which kills hundreds or thousands
of millions of other races leaving Australoids to dominate the
earth.

Now you may think this an excellent idea, but I doubt that most
other races would agree with you.

However, as I know a bit about the psychology of human beings, I
could almost guarantee that Australoids would become one of the
most hated races in history, far surpassing the hatred Nazis had
for Jews, and most if not all of you would be eliminated.

Now does this answer your question of

|>Why would I care ?

When the Nazis came to power in Germany, I suspect that many Jews
had the same opinion.

Some had sense enough to see the handwriting on the wall and
bugged out early. Others didn't, for various reasons. Many
ended up dead.

Does this hypothetical explanation answer your question?


No , it doesnt , actualy .

Who is going to put up their hand and own up to a world wide plauge ?

itll be done in secret and no-one will know , but EVERYONE will have to look out for it .

I dont care realy about it , thats politics , dealing with the possibility that some govt or faction or religion will possibley modify it is enough fo rm , eventualy it will come out who and why ... but it will be a small buch with an agenda to claim power ... IOW politicians , and I dont htink that i could hold any one lot of murdering politicians in more contemp than another .. they are all cut from the same cloth IMHO

|>
|>> If the mortality rate wasn't nearly equal between all racial,
|>> religious, etc. groups, what do you think would happen then? |>> |>Why should it differ ?

It does, and this is easily proven with a bit of research. Why
should sickle cell anemia almost always only affect African
Negroids? Why should Tay-Sachs disease almost always affect
Jews?

Why does the grining death only affect canibals ?


Why do only about 10% of alcohol users have serious problems with
it and many end up on skid row?

Why do some people take large doses of powerful narcotics such
as morphine for medical reasons and not become addicted, yet
others are addicted after a very few doses?

Why do some people become addicted to cigarettes and others
don't?

Why do some teenage girls become pregnant and others don't?

Why do some teenagers take extreme risks in driving and die and
others don't?

Why do Protestants leave their church of their childhood and
change their beliefs for other varieties of Protestantism, yet
Roman Catholics either remain Roman Catholics for life, very few
become Protestants, and most RC's who leave their religion become
rabid atheists or even Satanists?

Why do some people become criminals and others don't?

Why do some people join the military because it is "fun" to kill
others.

Feel free to offer your opinions on any or all of the above,
Myal.

None of wich have anythng to do withone people being more or less susceptable to a virus than another .

Ignorance cover most , arrogance covers some , a combination of the tow cover nearly all as does denail ... of mortality .

Lots of questions, how many answers do you want to try to supply?
|>
|>> There are a lot of intelligent people in all racial and religious
|>> groups.

Yes, of course, everyone should know this.
|>> |>
|>They infect as good as anyone ...

And may genetically engineer as well as anyone. Or become
terrorists as good as anyone.
|>
|>
|>> There are a lot of variables in pandemics, you know, or should
|>> know. If Iranians or Iraqis were relatively unaffected, the
|>> results might be fairly predictable.
|>> |>> However, suppose that the Chinese, or the American Indians, or
|>> American Blacks or Australian Aboriginals seemed almost immune?
|>> |>
|>RIght now , folk who dont have their chooks livinginside witheir homes |>withhtem seem tobe pretty much OK ..
|>but por folk who depend on their birds for food and money .. theyeat |>their sick birds ...
|>
|>not great .

True.
|>
|>eradicate poor people ?

Probably not necessary. Most will die naturally.

and everyone dies eventualy ... this is why I dont bother to launch my own jihad against politicians , they eventualy die anyway and its better they do it naturaly and slowly than be killed nice and quick .. this way they apreciate better the futility of their efforts during their lives .
But I digress


...But wouldn't it be more Christian to try to feed them?


not by modern christian standards . Moses saw a burning bush , we had a blair n bush ... moses led his people thru the rred sea and saved them from the egyptians , the blair n bush is still making its mind up what its about .... but its doing a heap a killing anyway

Your God could be different than mine, of course.

Id say so

Ive googled king james version errors .... nuff said .


Roman Catholics had "Crusades" and "Inquisitions".

Protestants concentrated mostly on "Satanists" and "Witches".

I doubt that God approved of any of these practices. AFIK, the
Bible indicates that He is the final Judge, and only He can do
so. He needs no help from mere humans.

Perhaps you should you should ask your Priest his opinion on
this?


perhaps you need a priest ?

I dont .. thanks all the same .

If I am answerable to the Creator Spirit when I die , Ill be answerable while Im alive too , and not rely on some other equaly imperfect spirit to intercede for me .

I do not hold anyone to be more perfect than another .

Some of the ones I have spoken to seem pretty reasonable.


I dont doubt you did .

I find them to be evasive and slippery people to discuss bible related topics with ...

like hell , why did solomon say people know nothing once they die , no emotion , no pain ... if hell is hot and painfull .

Why did Jesus say that dead people are sleeping if theyre realy in heaven , or hell ..

why did he bother resurecting them when they was perfectly happy where they was dead ... presumably in heaven if the church is right and jesus was mistaken ....


|>
|>> The outcomes could be a bit "interesting" don't you think?
|>> |>> Regards,
|>> |>
|>> |>but this is my opinion only ...
|>> zadoc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
zadoc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx


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