Re: BRAZIL'S ALCOHOL-POWERED CAR


Stuart Grey <stuart.grey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> North wrote:
> > Stuart Grey <stuart.grey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:5KOdnaV3LqkNM0beRVn-pA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>§§§ Raven §§§ wrote:
> >>
> >>>North wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From Mother Earth News: Issue #66 - November/December 1980
> >>>
> >>>ANd now in 2006 we know that it would take more oil to
> >>>grow enough corn to service all our automobile fuel needs
> >>>than we are currently using in gasolene......
> >>
> >>Yes... and no. Of course, you don't need to use oil or alcohol to fire
> >>the still. You can use coal, sugar cane husks or anything else that
> >>burns. The idea is to make a liquid fuel that can be used in cars. You
> >>can use low entropy fuels to do that.
> >>
> >>The Brazilians use the sugar cane husks as fuel for their stills.
> >>
> >>You get about 150 gallons (of gasoline equivelent) per acre using the
> >>Brazilian method. To replace the US gasoline supply would require about
> >>1/3 of the US land area be dedicated to alcohol farms. The cost would be
> >>incredible; consider that at current prices of gasoline is around
> >>$2.30/gal, then you're talking about a profit much lower than $345/acre.
> >>I can grow a lot of things for better money than that - Sugar, for
> >>example! And this land has to have a lot of water available, and be of a
> >>southern latitude. Alaska and the Western US is not an option.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Look, the idea is 'not' to 'replace' gasoline with alcohol, but to give
me
> > the 'option' or ' choice' to burn it.
>
> Look, if it doesn't make sense on the large scale, it doesn't make sense
> on the small scale.
>
> When you go to costco and find the 50 lb bags of sugar cheap enough for
> you to refine into alcohol that is CHEAPER than gasoline, then it's time
> to consider small scale production. Until then, it's just stupid.

Why would I want to make my own alcohol ? Know what I was told when I myself
considered installing an alcohol pump at the gas station that I own ? I was
told by my gasoline supplier that if they didn't sell it, I couldn't sell
it. IOWs I was not allowed to sell a 'competing' fuel. Buying the alcohol
was not the problem and no It would have not costed me 10 bucks a gallon. No
it would have not been cheaper then gasoline, but not 10 bucks a gallon, get
real !!

>
> > My 1980 datsun truck is dual fuel. I can run run either gasoline or
alcohol.
>
> BFD. My Ford Ranger can run on gasoline or alcohol, too. The difference
> between us is that this fact doesn't lead me to irrational conclusions.

No dumbass, the difference is we have to start somewhere to get off our
addiction to oil. What are you going to do when the entire ME errupts into
an all out war, and the U.S. is totally cut off from arab oil ? I bet you
will be the first to bitch about how we knew this was coming and how we did
nothing to further develope differnt techologys.

>
> > As it stands now, there's no 'alcohol' pump at the fueling station. I'd
like
> > that choice. The idea is to reduce demand on gasoline, thus 'conserving'
> > supplys.
>
> You'd like that choice? Sorry, but to few people are willing to pay
> $10/gal for alcohol, when gas is still $2.30/gal. You eco-socialist

I'm NOT an eco-socialist. I'm simply not going to sit back and continue to
be a slave to big oil. If you wish to keep taking it up the ass from the oil
mafia, then by all means keep taking it up the ass.

> would love to dictate to the companies that they had to give you that
> "choice", but that's just not freedom or liberty.
>
> > The fueling station of the future will offer : Gasoline, Alcohol,
Gas-o-hal,
> > diesel, pure bio-diesel, and Hydrogen.
>
> Not likely. Too expensive to offer so many alternatives. There is cost
> savings in standardization. That's why so many people like you use
> Microsoft Windows.

Bull***, I actually own a gas station, I actually know what the costs would
be to adding a tank and a pump. I sell five (three grades of gasoline,
diesel and kerosene) fuels now. Adding two more would be no big deal.
However, because Ammoco doesn't make it, I'm not allowed to sell it
according to my gas contract.

>
> > Give the consumer the choice. Give the consumer more fuel options. This
will
> > reduce over all demand on crude for gasoline, and thats the whole idea.
>
> It's not about choice, it's about supply and demand.

LOL, How many things being sold now have I heard that one about.......
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