Re: Yup the US is now the USSR

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:49:48 +0000, Winston Smith
<bogus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:20:46 -0800, Robert Sturgeon
><rsturge@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:59:37 +0000, Winston Smith
>><bogus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>snip
>>>
>>>Only that it's bogus to claim a reduction from a high as progress when
>>>the current level is in fact a super high relative to only a couple
>>>years ago. The only ones making out from that are the oil companies.
>>
>>Well, a lot of people profit from higher energy prices. I
>>guess it depends on your definition of an "oil company." Do
>>the owners of oil wells, gas wells, coal mines, etc. count?
>>Do the people who make and sell alternative energy systems
>>count? How about the people who make and install energy
>>conservation systems?
>
>The producers, and their suppliers, and the customers are the
>squeezees. The small investor gets just enough to keep them quiet.
>Most corporations are owned by very few people. They are simply not
>in the same league as the guy with a pension investment or some small
>stock holdings. These big block stock holders are few and run the
>show for their own ends. That's who I mean when I talk about THE
>COMPANIES, not grannie with a couple hundred shares of blue chip, not
>the hourly wage earner in their factory.

Your take on economics, whether the economics of energy or
the economics of food, sounds as if you really believe in
conspiracies and secret oligarchies controlling our lives.
I would have expected more of you.

(snips)

>>>In the end we will probably borrow it and go deeper in debt to foreign
>>>lenders. Hardly a conservative monetary plan IMHO. There is
>>>something else we had in the 30s. That possibility scares me.
>>
>>Oh, you mean the fascism of the FDR years?
>No, depression.

Given the ability of the government to create money out of
thin air, a repeat of the Great Depression is extremely
unlikely.

>> Uh, you might
>>want to read up on the news about Bush II's illegal
>>communications snooping.
>
>Just because I go after Bush don't think I'm Liberal or a Democrat.
>If you are expecting a defence of FDR, I'm not the guy. He
>transformed the basic nature of the Federal government from what the
>founding fathers set up to the centralized mega-state of today. IMHO,
>that was a major step in the wrong direction.

Maybe there's hope for you yet.

>Yes, fascism is just what I see happening. And I'm one of the ones
>complaining about snooping. The good Conservative Bush supporters are
>the ones telling us how it's harmless and necessary.

I wonder what they'll be saying when Hillary! uses those
same powers.

--
Robert Sturgeon
Summum ius summa inuria.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/
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