Re: I pulled my gun


Halcitron wrote:
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Man get a effin' clue.

Never wave your gun around except to protect yourself, family or
friends!

Unless it is to protect yourself, family or close frineds, NEVER, EVER
even
show your weapon in a manor that could be construed as threatening.

A lawyer advised me to always keep in mind: "Is it worth going to court
over?"
For myself, my family, and my real friends the answere is clearly YES.

For the rest of the world it is just as clearly NO, or at best a real
weak maybe..

Would I intervine to stop a woman or child from sexual assualt?
I have asked myself that question fairly often and I really don't know.


Is it worth the risk of legal prosecution to save a stranger?
In today's world the best I can say is "maybe".

Call me a coward but my actions will effect not only me, but my wife
and family.
I have to balance my clear and real duty to them against some nebulas
"duty" to
society in general.

If the LEO have no duty to protect the general public, why should I
assume a
greater liability then agents of the state?

I passed an auto accident one night because of the isolated location,
the
fact that the only people standing around were "tough"/scruffy looking
young
men. I used the ham autopatch to phone it in, pre cell phone days, and
the
dispatcher wanted my name because I had failed to stop and render aid.
I
gave it too him and contacted the county attourny when I got home.
While
Kentucky law requires drivers to "stop and render aid", it is
unenforcable.
We, DA, dispatcher , his boss and I had a nice conference call werein
she ripped he a new rectum. It turned out that three of the scruffy
looking
hoods had felony warrents. If I have no real obilcigation to obey a
stat
law, how can I be expected to risk breaking the law to "rescue"
someone.

Oh the high point of the week was when the dispatcher quit in anger.
TFB.

Since a friend got car jacked when she stopped to render aid I never
stop
unless I know the people. I use an expired cell phone to call 911 and
often
have the same boring conversation;"Why didn't you stop". My stock
answer,
I am a 54 yar old handicaped male and can't really render much aid. If
I tried
to help you all would be hualing another client to the slab".

And I had a chance to even the score when a former supervisor who sold
us,
the department I worked in for 25 yers was nuked at his advice, down
the river,
had what appeared to be a heart attack while he was visiting me at my
new
work place. He wanted records that I had been ordered by the archivist
to to
destroy.

Anyway as he was lieing on the floor gasping for air, I got up and told
him I
guesed I needed to go to lunch. Left him there and went out. Sadly it
was
just a massive panic attack so the prick still lives. When he came back
to
confront me I asked where was it company policy that I had any
obilgation
to render aid to a sob that I disliked. Needless to say it got rather
cold but
the corp laywer aggreed that I had no obilgation of any sort to render
aid.
I did tell my former superviser that I had very few goals left, but
that I was
damn sure going to outlive him so I could piss on his headstone and
take a
dump on his grave.

So other then trying to be anice guy why did you get envolved?
Was there a threat sufficnet to justify the dispaly of a weapon?
My rules are you don't pull the gun out until you really think you
are going to need it and when you do pull it it is only because you
are justified, in the legal sense, of needing to use deadly force. No
verbal warnings, no warning shots no threatening motion.

Rise the gun, aim and fire.

Maybe 5 seconds from draw to hammer down. This is based on
conversations
with local LEOs, the DA and several criminal lawyers I happen to know.
The
general concenses was to wave a gun around then use it shows a certain
recklessness that will not play well with a jury.

Thug with a ladies purse running away, no justification.
Rapist runnng away from a crime scene, no justification for a privite
citizen to use
any force.

A gun is not a magic wand, to be waved around in the hope of dispelling
evil.
It is a tool for the application of rapidly moving metal to the desired
target.
A target that sadly must meet some very serious conditons that I will
not
list here.

For all that is sacred, being a survivist means looking at a situaiton
and decided
the best course of action. I think you earned a sold "F" in this
exercise. Even
cops have a nasty tendency to blow other out of uniform cops away in
heated
situaitons. Do you really expect a cop to take much time to figure out
you are a
"good guy"?

Terry

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