Re: Fracking

In article <it92mt02jvk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Ann <afrenchs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 06/14/2011 08:24 PM, Billy wrote:
Ann wrote:
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Look up the definition of "proximate".And surely you are familiar with
"correlation is not proof of causation".

Yeah, that's what the tobacco companies used to say about smoking and
cancer.

Which has what to do with shale gas development?

Empirical results aren't proof, even if more people keep getting lung
cancer after they start smoking. Empirical results aren't proof;
A + B --> C.

Gibberish.

What you're saying is that poison and methane coming out of the tap
after fracking is only a coincidence.

No, I didn't "say" that. Are you saying that gas that comes out of a
water tap after fracking could only have been caused by fracking?

How about, most likely? Wasn't there before, but is there after. I'm
sure that you would say,"correlation is not proof of causation". So the
carcinogenic contamination is regularly showing up, but no one can prove
it's the frackings's fault. Is that's your position?


Look up disingenuous.

Let's see ... not straightforward or candid, evasive, not taking account
of known information, etc ....

You are making my point for me. You're playing the industry's game when
you insist on a fracking ban rather than legislation/regulations to
protect against the impacts.

There's an easy protection against the impacts, don't frack where there
is drinking water.
Most fracking takes place a mile or so from drinking water sources.

If you see the movie "Gasland", you will see wells virtually in peoples
front yards.

Considering that the pad for the standard Marcellus six horizontal well
setup is about 5 acres, those would have to be some kind of front yards.
And a habitation, and it's well would be how far from the head of the
well?

If you see the movie "Gasland", you will see wells virtually in peoples
front yards.

What do you know about fracking?

What do you know about fracking?

Is this a quiz?
I'm sorry, did you need to study?


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"A 2011 study by Congressional Democrats found that, in the process of
hydraulic fracturing, "oil and gas companies injected hundreds of
millions of gallons of hazardous or carcinogenic chemicals into wells in
more than 13 states from 2005 to 2009," according to the New York
Times.[43] A 2011 investigation by the New York Times based on various
leaked EPA documents found that hydraulic fracturing had resulted in
significant increases of radioactive material including radium and
carcinogens including benzene in major rivers and watersheds.[44] At one
site

the amount of benzene discharged into the Allegheny River
**after treatment** was 28 times accepted levels for drinking water."

Are we to presume that this was "proper disposal" of the flow-back
fluid, since it was treated?

See:<http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/whats-fracking>
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