Re: NAIS


"Neon John" <no@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On 31 Jan 2006 07:17:34 -0800, "CanopyCo" <Junk74020@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>rot13 Kevin Miller wrote:
>
>>> It's not the cost of the actual chipping that's going to get most small
>>> farmers and those that keep livestock as pets or for their own use, but
>>> the cost of reading, registering and reporting. Putting a chip in is a
>>> relatively cheap one-time cost for most livestock. The problem is that
>>> anyone who keeps, processes or handles livestock will need to register
>>> with the state, purchase reader(s) to read chips, read the chips
>>> whenever any animals comes or goes, and report all of this back to the
>>> state. Readers are not cheap, and the additional labor will impact the
>>> small farmers.
>>
>>Why do you need a reader?
>>You can't tell one cow from another already from your present marking
>>system?
>>And the reporting part will not cost a small farmer anything but time.
>>And that will only happen when he buys, butchers, or sells his stock.
>
> This is an example of the problem at hand. There is so much
> hysterical arm-waving going on that it is difficult to tell what the
> real issues are. Pretty much everything that has been said about
> chipping is wrong or exaggerated.
>
> I have a little experience in this area. I have some friends who
> operate a modest size dairy farm, about 250 head. About 3 years ago
> they installed what was then the state of the art, hands-off milk barn
> and feeding system. Chipping is an integral part of the system. I've
> helped them with some technical problems so I'm aware of at least the
> overall system function.
>
> This system requires no human intervention for milking. The cows are
> chipped when they come on the farm. The chips are cheap, under a buck
> apiece, and require only a second to insert, like giving an injection.
>
> The cows are herded into a chute to the milk house where the tags are
> read. They mount a turntable where milking apparatus attaches. The
> tags are read again when they leave the house. They are read again
> when the cows eat from the automated feeders.
>
> The software keeps track of the daily yield from each cow, computes
> the cost, predicts when the cow's production will cease to be
> profitable and schedules the acquisition of replacements and a whole
> lot of other stuff that I can't appreciate as a non-farmer.
>
> It has reduced both the cost and time involved many times over what
> the system cost. He's cut his payroll by more than half and doesn't
> work nearly so hard.
>
> I haven't chatted with them about the system in awhile so I don't know
> where they stand vis a vie this tracking proposal. I do know that
> from a technical standpoint, all that will be required to fulfill even
> the worst regulations will be a software update.
>
> Tiny farmers can chip or have chipped their few head of cattle for
> tracking after they leave the farmer's hands and otherwise ignore the
> chip if they desire. I don't know why he'd do that though, since
> chipping is easier than ear tagging. Even the most minimal use of the
> chips, say, a handheld computer containing a reader, to say, record
> health statistics, weight, etc would greatly reduce manual
> record-keeping.
>
> As far as cost, I think that pet chipping can set the scale of things.
> My mom had her rather expensive breed of dog chipped in case it is
> ever stolen. The process wasn't much different than administering a
> rabies shot, the main difference being that the needle is larger. The
> vet charged her $10. That included his services, the cost of the chip
> and the fee to the database company that maintains the registry. I
> can't imagine livestock chipping costing even a fraction of that.
>>
>>>
>>> And then for poultry even the cost of chipping will be prohibitive.
>>> Also, what will be done to guarantee that the chips don't enter the food
>>> chain, particularly for large production line operations.
>>
>>I believe that poultry will be tracked by leg tags and large groups can
>>be tracked by the chicken house.
>
> I can't imagine tracking by any means other than house for poultry
> meat farming. The very idea of trying to band several thousand
> day-old chicks boggles the mind.
>
> I'm a bit familiar with commercial poultry farming, having invested in
> a small limited partnership that owns a farm. Not much need in any
> finer granularity than the house. Any disease that gets in a house
> runs through the flock practically instantly. The concern is to keep
> it from spreading from one house to the next and not from one chicken
> to the next in a house.
>
> I don't know where I stand on this proposal simply because there have
> been no actual facts presented. However, when I see exaggerations and
> outright lies about elements with which I'm familiar such as the RFID
> tags, I tend to think that the whole issue is similarly exaggerated.
>
> Memo to JC: Your raving lunacy is driving off your potential
> supporters.

I don't give a ***. The people that want the federal government to put a
ring in their nose are welcome to it. But not me. Before you jump down my
throat, read the damn rules Buddy. Read about the government going to allow
private companies like Cargill, Conagra and ADM to keep track of what you do
on your farm. Read about the government going to allow those companies to
come on your property and even confiscate your animals under the auspices of
a "state authorized vet inspector". Read about the government handing out
the contracts to do the implants to only those companies. Don't come at me
with this "raving lunacy" bull*** until you know what the hell you're
talking about.

And, for you information, I've been an RFID investor, and even get the
magazine, ever since WalMart decided to use them, about 6 years ago. And
that means, that I also understand the radiation risk when a processing
plant gets pelted with thousands of them over a period of time. And, as we
only sell on premises processed meat, my customers are not going to have to
worry about that.


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