Re: Posted signs litter my trees
- From: "Farmall" <PENMART01@xxxxxxx>
- Date: 13 Dec 2005 19:29:13 -0800
A. Smith wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > Barold wrote:
> >
> >>I'm not sure if this is a legal question or not. My wife and I own 18
> >>acres that are bordered on one side by a 100 acre farm field. This
> >>weekend, the farmer put up Posted signs along his border (probably for
> >>the start of hunting season in Upstate NY). For the section of his
> >>property that borders mine, he nailed the Posted signs on my trees...
> >>about 10 of them.
> >>
> >>I understand that he does not want hunters on his land (I do not hunt
> >>nor do I allow hunters on my land) - but the signs are on MY trees and
> >>now I have to look at these bright ugly yellow signs. I'm thinking
> >>about tearing them down.
> >>
> >>Any thoughts?
> >
> > Have you thought to introduce yourself to the neighbor and address your
> > concern? Perhaps the farmer doesn't know that you are a new owner and
> > may have had an agreement with the previous owner regarding Posting.
> > Often owners of rural land are grateful to share the chore of posting
> > with their neighbors, each in turn placing signs facing the others
> > property, and maintaining those signs, as fast growing vines tend to
> > obscure them. Also boundries of large acreage are not so clearly
> > defined, often no surveys exist, whereas the unwritten rule says
> > fifteen feet each side (enough to manuver a team with plow) is shared
> > land. Believe it or not placing Posted signs is hard work,
> > especially where boundries are many hundreds of feet long, requiring a
> > sign every fifty feet or so. It's not simple to find a tree close to a
> > property line that would still be visible to those approaching. When
> > doing the chore of posting one must carry a sturdy ladder of some 12
> > feet,
>
> Why do you need a ladder, much less a sturdy ladder of some 12 feet?
If one is going to bother posting signs it behooves them to post high
enough to be readily seen and that they can't easily be hauled down...
believe me, hunters who poach on others lands will rip them down if
they can reach them, even with a stick... the higher and more firmly
attached the better. I use the aluminum signs with 2" roofing nails in
each corner, the plastic ones are easy to pry off with a stick and
won't last more than 2-3 years anyway before they fade/biodegrade...
the plastic signs are really a waste of time.
How sturdy a ladder I suppose depends on ones agility... I rather be
safe than sorry... I use one 12' section from a twenty-four foot
aluminum extension ladder. Even with a 12 foot ladder you're only
going to post 8-10 feet high... maybe you're some sort of circus
acrobat who can stand on the top rungs but most cannot. It's pretty
senseless to post signs much lower, if they're not ripped down the
brush will quickly obscure them. It's a long hard day putting up
Posted signs, afer all that sweat it's pretty foolish to do a shoddy
job. My property is a 90 acre square, 1/3 mile on each side, I have
many hard hours labor invested in putting up those signs, I really
don't want to have to replace any more often than necessary. It's bad
enough a hard winter will often cause ice to form that will rip down
signs, I don't want to be replacing signs because they were attached so
low that the hunters tore them down. It's the newbie city slickers who
put up their signs head high with a thumb tack.
I'm still trying to figure out why someone moves to a rural area is
bothered by the sight of Posted signs, next thing they'll be bothered
by crooked rock walls and falling down barns. Hmm, just checked, it's
4ºF outside right now in upstate NY... now 3.6ºF.
> a hammer, a bag of nails, and of course the signs, and also a
> > pair of loppers for clearing around a tree to make it accessible, more
> > than one man can reasonably carry. And there is rarely a nice level
> > place near a tree trunk to place a ladder and so the chore actually
> > requires two people, one to hold the ladder, to also pass the sign and
> > hammer. Trees also do not readily lend themselves to posting, they
> > rarely present a flat surface at a point one can reach, and if anyone
> > has ever tried to pound a nail into typical hardwoods while reaching
> > above their head they would know the difficulty involved. And it's
> > really not possible to drive a post near the edge of forests and about
> > stone walls. Anyway, I share the chore of Posting with my neighbors.
> > There are hundreds of signs on the perimeter of our properties (and
> > during hunting season I drive fence posts with signs into my front lawn
> > as well, I remove those right after hunting season. The rest of the
> > signs are not visible from my house as the closest are some 1000 ft
> > away, it's really not possible to see a Posted sign at that distance
> > with the naked eye... and when the trees leaf out in spring the signs
> > are totally obscured. I would strongly suggest introducing oneself to
> > their neighbor in a friendly manor, the issue of Posted signs is not
> > worth a feud... perhaps your neighbor knows things about the
> > terrain you need to learn. More importantly you need to search your
> > soul for the real reason you find those signs unsettling, or is just
> > that your neighbor put them there... no burdon is more cumbersome to
> > bear than a big ego.
> >
> > MENDING WALL
> > Robert Frost
> >
> > Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
> > That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
> > And spills the upper boulders in the sun,
> > And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.
> > The work of hunters is another thing:
> > I have come after them and made repair
> > Where they have left not one stone on a stone,
> > But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,
> > To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,
> > No one has seen them made or heard them made,
> > But at spring mending-time we find them there.
> > I let my neighbor know beyond the hill;
> > And on a day we meet to walk the line
> > And set the wall between us once again.
> > We keep the wall between us as we go.
> > To each the boulders that have fallen to each.
> > And some are loaves and some so nearly balls
> > We have to use a spell to make them balance:
> > 'Stay where you are until our backs are turned!'
> > We wear our fingers rough with handling them.
> > Oh, just another kind of out-door game,
> > One on a side. It comes to little more:
> > There where it is we do not need the wall:
> > He is all pine and I am apple orchard.
> > My apple trees will never get across
> > And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
> > He only says, 'Good fences make good neighbors'.
> > Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
> > If I could put a notion in his head:
> > 'Why do they make good neighbors? Isn't it
> > Where there are cows?
> > But here there are no cows.
> > Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
> > What I was walling in or walling out,
> > And to whom I was like to give offence.
> > Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
> > That wants it down.' I could say 'Elves' to him,
> > But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather
> > He said it for himself. I see him there
> > Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
> > In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
> > He moves in darkness as it seems to me~
> > Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
> > He will not go behind his father's saying,
> > And he likes having thought of it so well
> > He says again, "Good fences make good neighbors."
> > ---
> >
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