Re: Rights of Illegals

On Sat, 08 May 2010 12:32:26 -0400, Buzz <buzzard99@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sat, 08 May 2010 11:52:51 -0400, Dave K <dave.k@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, 06 May 2010 18:48:01 -0400, Buzz <buzzard99@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, 06 May 2010 18:11:51 -0400, Dave K <dave.k@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Wed, 05 May 2010 21:15:05 -0400, Buzz <buzzard99@xxxxxxx> wrote:

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What does the new AZ law say about hiring illegals, Dave?

I really don't care! It is irrelevant to the discussion I am
interested in.

So, you say...

Yes so I say...

"Put the execs in jail, or legalize the illegals. Either way, it
would work out better than what we have now."

That would seem to indicate that you're interested in putting the
**execs** in jail for hiring illegals (or, for simply being execs, and
having more than you, it's hard to tell).

LOL, trying to interpret concepts beyond your limited knowledge is
risky at best. Let me ask you a few questions. What will be
interesting is to see if you are willing to answer them. They are
fairly simple conceptual things. I'll even supply some explanations
of the questions so you understand the nuances of them. The
explanations will be in Parenthesis.

Do you believe it is OK for corporations, or even individuals, in
the United States of America to hire illegal aliens?
(No loading here. It is a straightforward, on the table, question.)

Not only is it straightforward, it's rather stupid, given that I
recognize that we are a nation of laws.

It is illegal to hire illegal aliens. But, before that, it is illegal
for an illegal alien to be, well, an illegal alien So, the hiring
part is secondary, but no, I do not believe it is OK.



Do you believe that putting pressure on the many million illegals
that come here would be the better approach that dealing with those
that hire illegals?
( I don't think it would be feasible to track down every illegal alien
and find out what they are doing. I consider that would have to be
done at greater cost than you and I are willing to pay.)

The question is severely flawed (surprise!) It's not an either/or
situation. Both approaches can work simultaneously.


Are you willing to pay more taxes to fund INS, or some other
government agency, to enforce those rules?
(I consider it a lot simpler to conduct raids on known offenders of
hiring illegals, and enforcing the laws there, than to try to discern
who might be an illegal and who mi8ght not, by their appearance.)

Again, a severely flawed question, a product of your myopic/one-sided
view of things. I guess the short answer is yes, but, getting rid of
the illegals would save considerably more than it would cost,
especially given the AZ approach (that you don't want to discuss). To
couch it in terms of peoples' appearances simply shows how incredibly
limited and mind-numbingly ignorant you choose to be.

What is the cost of your *raids*? And what then, after you've gotten
the executives? The illegals still have to be
charged/processed/returned/jailed, something, right?


Do you not think that a smaller INS, that focused upon those that
hired illegals, would be a more effective enforcement tool than
another huge agency that tried to enforce it at the individual level?
(the above was supposed to be individual, but I thought that was all
the explanation that one needed.)

Once again, you seem to only be able to think in terms of either/or
and huge agency or nothing.

So, the answere to your flawed question is yes, but I also recognize
that the Federal Laws and Arizona laws can work side by side and be
even more effective.



Yet, you're not interested in seeing what the new law says about
punishing those who hire illegals and how it will work out better?

?

I know what the Arizona law says, and, sorry that I have to repeat
myself, but I am not interested in the Arizona law for the discussion
I am interested in. If you want to discuss the Arizona law, find some
other person that wants to trade insults with you.

That's odd. If you know what the AZ law says, then why are your
questions so limited? Obviously, the AZ law does not require a *huge
agency*. Obviously, it does not require me to pay more in AZ taxes
(though if GA adopts the same common sense legislation, yes, I would
pay a small amount more in order to save tremendously in the long
run). And finally, why make the statement about discerning by
appearance when that is exactly 100% factually wrong?

The crux of the matter is that the Federal Government is not enforcing
Federal Law. If they were, AZ would not be taking the steps to
protect it's people.


Hopefully, the AZ approach will spread even more.


Please, don't ever ask me another question! ;)
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Cheers! :)
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