Re: Got Stem Cell Research?


"Buzz" <buzzard99@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any
of
his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had." ~
Acts
4:32, It's called sharing for the common good. Wide disparities between
the
haves and the have-nots has sparked many a revolution. The selfish
classes
end up begging in the streets, just like the people they denied.

2 Thessalonians 3:7-10 For you yourselves know how you ought to
follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, nor did we
eat anyone's food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked
night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden
to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to
such help, but in order to make ourselves a model for you to follow.
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will
not work, he shall not eat".

Whoever wrote 2 Thessalonians was attempting to deal with the problem of
people stopping all activities waiting for the imminent Second Coming.
(Similar phenomena happened several times after that, from Sabbatai Zevi
to
the American Millerites.) When the Second Coming never came, the Pauline
church leaders had to find away to keep the communities he founded intact,
and resist the advances of the Petrine churches onto Pauline turf. That
meant pulling people's heads out of the clouds and putting them to work
building churches and meeting-places.

It is generally accepted that Paul wrote both Thessalonian letters.

By believers, not by biblical scholars. http://tinyurl.com/c8fukl
Pseudepigrapha was very common at the time. There's even a comment about it
in 2 Thessalonians 2:2.
And the dating of the letter is long after Paul died.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/2thessalonians.html

2
Thessalonians was apparently to combat the notion that the second
coming had already occurred.

That was one of the many explanations for why the Second Coming hadn't
happened during the lives of the people Jesus preached to. There were at
least 60 different sects of Christianity at the time, spun off from the two
major groups, the Petrines and the Paulines.

Nevertheless, I regret reesponding to your use of God's Word as
justification for your political views by doing the same. No more
along this line for me.....

Sorry, Bible study is one of my hobbies. I find religions fascinating.


It's you that turns it into either/ or Ernie. When I point out the
strikes, protests, shortages and tremendous deficits, your suggest
that the only alternative is expreimenting blindly.

No, I point out that your data are far out of date, and that present-day
conditions in France are quite different. You weren't able to come up with
any healthcare riots-in-the-streets stories later than 2005 after reforms
set in. (France may see them again as Sarkozy cracks down on waste and
fraud, but riots in the streets are the normal French response to any
cutbacks in their nanny state gravy train.)

Dr. Valentin Petkantchin, of the Institut économique Molinari in
France, said that France tops many world health care rankings but
misplaced efforts at cost containment are leading to an erosion of
quality, choice, and access. The French have had access to a
pluralistic system of public or private clinics, hospitals, and
physicians, but "the government is undermining these pillars of choice
and competition. In doing so, France risks making the same mistakes as
other countries that are now saddled with waiting lists and other
forms of rationing."

http://tinyurl.com/bm99yu

Yes, and if you click on About Us you'll discover that the Galen Institute
is a lobbying organization promoting the medical status quo. Just the place
to find support for national healthcare programs, no? Just like the Tobacco
institute is the perfect place to find objective studies of tobacco use. :-)

'not sure if a day old will be considered "ancient history" (did you
learn as you ran communications departments to classify something 4-5
years old as ancient history?) Chuckle.

In the world of politics a week ago is considered ancient history. Do you
still refer to Bush's stem cell policy in the present tense? French
healthcare policy under the Socialist president Chirac was quite different
from policy under Sarkozy, just as American healthcare policy under Obama
will be much different than under Bush. Referring to Bush policy as current
would be as silly as refering to 2005 French healthcare policy as current.

There appears to be an awful lot of good information in this report.
At a glance, it's easy to see that the French system can indeed be
very effective, as long as there is no attempt whatsoever to contain
costs and obviously, our prez and congress hasn't a problem with
spending money right now.

Lack of fiscal discipline under Chirac was as much a problem in France as
lack of fiscal discipline under Bush II was in America. It's being fixed.
Sarkozy has already cut off national healthcare services to expatriates and
will be making heavier cuts to get France's expeditures down to the 9.3% of
GDP EU average. But undoing Chirac's policies can't be done overnight, any
more than undoing Bush's policies can be done overnight.
-- Ernie



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