Re: Obama on the Surge

On Jul 23, 5:34 pm, cg <cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:41:51 -0700, "Ernie Jurick"





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"cg" <cgrams7@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:17:39 -0700, "Ernie Jurick"
<invalidexam...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Just what we need; another national leader unwilling or unable to
admit an error.  President Bush totally screwed up when asked about
mistakes he had made and it would seem Sen. Obama is well along the
same path.  You'd think they would learn but many have not.  That
would include those who criticized President Bush for saying he
couldn't think of any mistakes but now come to the defense of "their"
guy for doing essentially the same thing.

What's the ratio, 1,000 to 1, Bush-Obama? Bush has been wrong about
everything since day one.

I've already indicated my displeasure with President Bush's inability
to admit having made mistakes.  The lack of an admission was a
colossal mistake on his part.  I've already, repeatedly, posted that
he is, IMO, primarily responsible for the very significant errors made
in claiming the peace in Iraq after the invasion had been
accomplished.

Back up a step. That invasion wasn't necessary, which was the biggest
blunder of all.

You can back up a step.  I'm continuing on.  Again, it has zip to do
with Sen. Obama's unwillingness to say he should have supported "The
Surge".



That was certainly bad enough but to then compound it
by failing to admit that error - well, I can only shake my head.

I also thought I made it very clear with my post in this thread that
I'm equally unhappy with Sen. Obama's seeming inability to admit his
error in not supporting "The Surge".  If Sen. Obama hopes to maintain
whatever level of credibility he currently enjoys he will step up to
the plate and clearly tell the nation he should have supported "The
Surge".  And he will do that much sooner than later.

Shall we look at the control group to discover what would have happened if
the surge had never taken place?

More spin.  More avoidance.  More denial.  More of the same crap to
avoid saying he should have supported "The Surge".  This line of
reasoning belongs to historians who will have far more data and
established facts to justify their hypothetical adjuncts - which, even
so, will remain hypothetical.  It also has nothing to do with Sen.
Obama's unwillingness to say he should have supported "The Surge".

It is exactly the sort of logic you have used above that will cost
Sen. Obama the most if he allows it to continue or, worse, decides to
continue his participation in such meanderings.  The U.S. public
"knows" that "The Surge" had the desired results and will not react
well to this sort of slight of hand when it comes time to vote.  A
sound bite driven public has no time for such nuances (and I'm being
very kind by using that word).



President Bush's failure to admit his mistakes, regardless of their
number, when directly questioned has nothing to do with Sen. Obama's
failure to fess up except to those who are attempting to muddy the
water, change the direction of the debate, let Sen. Obama off the hook
or in some other way attempt to ignore his mistake.  If there is any
doubt - I think that would include you.

Again, what's the ratio, 1,000 to 1, Bush-Obama? We'll all have to wait
until he takes office before we find out what his real plans are. Candidates
will say whatever is necessary to get elected. Remember how Dubya was going
to "restore honor and integrity to the White House"?

It is time to move on.  Everyone knows your opinion of President Bush.
No matter how many different ways you find to state that opinion it
comes as a surprise to nary a soul.  It has about the same value as
someone bringing up the honor and integrity issue in regards to FPOTUS
Clinton - none, zip, zero, zilch, nada, nothing, less than nothing and
so on.  It also has nothing to do with Sen. Obama's unwillingness to
say he should have supported "The Surge".

This is worse than remaining in the past - it is downright boring.  I
hope you obtain huge amounts of gratification from such statements
since I can see no other benefit to anyone.  An, please, remember this
is coming from someone who feels President Bush has screwed the pouch
on many occasions - he is a man without curiosity and very little
imagination.

As far as waiting until he is in office - this is not different from
any other Presidential election regardless of which candidate you wish
to mention.  Sen. Kennedy made several statements prior to being
elected President which were flat out inaccurate.  Not necessarily his
fault - he just didn't have the security clearance to know the truth.

It does happen every time.  Besides the fact that every candidate lies
and knows it, they simply don't know enough for anyone to really trust
their stated plans until they are in office and begin to understand
the reality of things.

So, I agree on this point but it has zip to do with Sen. Obama's
current unwillingness to say that he should have supported "The
Surge".

--
cg

"I'm glad I'm not in Bastogne."
 -- Soldier who fought there on a cold night.- Hide quoted text -

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I wouldn't worry about surges.Obama has said that Iran poses a grave
threat.He also said that the world cannot afford to let Iran go
nucleay(weapons)He is going to send the troops into Afghanastan,big
mistake.Now for the clinture.Obama has said that he will do everything
in his power to foil Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.Sounds to me
like the wonder boy hjas changed his mind on virtually everything he
said he wouldn't do
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