Re: Oil Peaked !


"Dave Head" <rally2xs@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:01:44 -0700, "Ernie Jurick"
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"Dave Head" <rally2xs@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:12:44 -0700, "Ernie Jurick"
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:50:46 -0400, "Allan Smith"
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Dave,

... illegal to attempt to extract the oil shale ...

Nope, that one's wide open, and proof-wells are in-place and producing
far
beyond expectations, a new refinery is approved in South Dakota as of
last
Wednesday, construction will start this summer, online in four years.

The shale holds 1 to 2 trillion barrels. More than twice what Saudi
Arabia
has.

Allan

We need more new refinery's.

We need alternatives to oil, not more of it.

We need more oil in the next 30 - 50 years, which will be time enough to
develop something else that works, like solar electric.

We could be free of oil in 15 years if we had a common-sense energy
policy.
Paving the Mojave Desert with solar cells alone would do it.

Won't do a damn thing for transportation. Cars don't run on solar cells,
trucks
don't run on solar cells, trains don't run on solar cells except maybe
some
city-bound mass transit, and airplanes don't run on solar cells.

Electric cars. Think electric cars. Every parking meter a charging station.
That would free up refineries to produce fuel for the essential
transportation you mention. It would be a sensible beginning to dealing with
the problems we're facing. Drilling more holes in the ground only postpones
the inevitable.

Throw in 7-10
nuke plants for the east coast and we'd be set. Bye, bye Saudi Arabia.

Nuke plants don't do a damn thing for transportation. Cars don't run on
nuclear, trucks don't run on nuclear, trains don't run on nuclear except
maybe
some city-bound mass transit, and airplands don't run on nuclear.

See above.


We could begin with an energy
policy not designed by the oil companies.

We could begin with an energy policy to satisfy 300 million Americans
that
can't get anywhere other than to put something liquid and burnable in
the
cars
they own now, and that they will be able to purchase in the foreseeable
future.
Hint: These cars will, on the order of 90%, run on gasoline or diesel,
not
alcohol, not hydrogen, not electricity, just gas.

Where do you put that stuff in an electric car? :-)

What electric car? Where are you buying an electric car? Lemme know,
'cuz I
want one, only it better have a 300 mile range, perform like my regular
car,
and refuel in a minute or two...

The Chevy Volt will be rolling off assembly lines in 2010,
http://www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/ and we'll be among the first to own
one, since an electric car meets our transport needs perfectly. Other car
manufacturers will follow suit if they have half a brain and can see the
future. And, no, the early ones won't have a 300-mile range and be refueled
in minutes, any more than the first gasoline cars could. In 1899 you had to
buy gasoline at a pharmacy, believe it or not. The car you drive now is at
the tail end of a century of slow improvements. In 10 years, if we had a
visionary energy policy, you could look for 300-mile ranges and
near-instantaneous recharging. In 20 years induction cables under the
streets would provide an infinite range and no need to recharge.

America used to be
capable of great projects, like the interstate highway system and the
incredible reaction to WWII. If we're not completely senile as a society,
perhaps we could do it again.

People are working like crazy on the electric car thing, and have been for
decades, but this is a tough nut to crack.

Yes, no argument there. But the approaches have been haphazard. We need the
equivalent of the push for the interstate highway system in the 1950s, or an
all-out War on Oil. Until the public is galvanized (pardon the pun) into
supporting in, it won't go anywhere. A propaganda campaign on the scale that
sold Bush's war could do it nicely, and there's a real benefit this time. My
great-grandkids will think a gasoline-powered car is as quaint as a Stanley
Steamer.

But until we're rid of the petroleum
presidency we can't even begin to plan. You heard Dumbo's speech about
drilling all over the place to give oil companies higher profits. He's not
even aware that oil is the problem, not the solution.
-- Ernie

We need to fuel the cars we have, and the cars that will be available, for
the
next 20 - 30 years to keep the economy from collapsing, while we use that
prosperity to fund the research necessary to figure out that electric
car...

Ten years to an all-electric economy. We already have the foundations for
it. We put a human on the Moon in less time, and that had to be invented
from scratch. All we need is the vision, public demand and a mandate from on
high.
-- Ernie


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