Re: Oil Peaked !

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:01:44 -0700, "Ernie Jurick"
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"Dave Head" <rally2xs@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:12:44 -0700, "Ernie Jurick"
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:50:46 -0400, "Allan Smith"
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Dave,

... illegal to attempt to extract the oil shale ...

Nope, that one's wide open, and proof-wells are in-place and producing
far
beyond expectations, a new refinery is approved in South Dakota as of
last
Wednesday, construction will start this summer, online in four years.

The shale holds 1 to 2 trillion barrels. More than twice what Saudi
Arabia
has.

Allan

We need more new refinery's.

We need alternatives to oil, not more of it.

We need more oil in the next 30 - 50 years, which will be time enough to
develop something else that works, like solar electric.

We could be free of oil in 15 years if we had a common-sense energy policy.
Paving the Mojave Desert with solar cells alone would do it.

Won't do a damn thing for transportation. Cars don't run on solar cells, trucks
don't run on solar cells, trains don't run on solar cells except maybe some
city-bound mass transit, and airplanes don't run on solar cells.

Throw in 7-10
nuke plants for the east coast and we'd be set. Bye, bye Saudi Arabia.

Nuke plants don't do a damn thing for transportation. Cars don't run on
nuclear, trucks don't run on nuclear, trains don't run on nuclear except maybe
some city-bound mass transit, and airplands don't run on nuclear.



We could begin with an energy
policy not designed by the oil companies.

We could begin with an energy policy to satisfy 300 million Americans that
can't get anywhere other than to put something liquid and burnable in the
cars
they own now, and that they will be able to purchase in the foreseeable
future.
Hint: These cars will, on the order of 90%, run on gasoline or diesel,
not
alcohol, not hydrogen, not electricity, just gas.

Where do you put that stuff in an electric car? :-)

What electric car? Where are you buying an electric car? Lemme know, 'cuz I
want one, only it better have a 300 mile range, perform like my regular car,
and refuel in a minute or two...

America used to be
capable of great projects, like the interstate highway system and the
incredible reaction to WWII. If we're not completely senile as a society,
perhaps we could do it again.

People are working like crazy on the electric car thing, and have been for
decades, but this is a tough nut to crack.

But until we're rid of the petroleum
presidency we can't even begin to plan. You heard Dumbo's speech about
drilling all over the place to give oil companies higher profits. He's not
even aware that oil is the problem, not the solution.
-- Ernie

We need to fuel the cars we have, and the cars that will be available, for the
next 20 - 30 years to keep the economy from collapsing, while we use that
prosperity to fund the research necessary to figure out that electric car...
.

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