Re: Pelosi says she'll press on with Armenian 'genocide' resolution


"cg" <cgrams007@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:53:34 -0500, "Ouroboros_Rex" <its@xxxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:37:13 -0500, "Ouroboros_Rex" <its@xxxxxxxxxx>
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"cg" <cgrams007@{removethis}yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:22:43 -0500, "Ouroboros_Rex" <its@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Nevertheless, despite your discomfort at seeing justice served, it
has
been the norm ever since WW II, or earlier.

Well color me surprise. We disagree. Hope you are having a nice
morning despite coming down on precisely the wrong side of this one.

Can't complain, hope you're doing likewise. So, tell us, when was the
right time to pass something about the Armenian Genocide?

At the time it happened or very shortly thereafter.


Personally I don't see why Pelosi, or any other American, needs to be
concerned about the reactions of a bunch of wannabe Nazis. If the Turks
are
dumb enough to let their pissed off revisionists dictate their military
policy, let 'em get their noses bloodied.

But then, I'm mostly tired of Americans substituting "We'll do what we
want, no matter what anyone else thinks" for our tried and true "We'll
do
what's right, no matter what anybody else thinks." Kudos to Pelosi for
at
least trying to turn that back around when others haven't got the guts.


"Holier than you" attitudes hardly ever pay off. It is this "Holier
than you" sort of attitude I believe you are implying above. The
problem is that one person's "right thing" is another "force it down
my throat" attitude. The sword is double edged and it only matters
which side of the blade you stand as to what the "right thing" is.

No. You see, we are talking about historical facts here, not opinions.

History is written by the winners so I'll phrase it differently - Once
man's facts is another man's opinion.

Simply a ridiculous lie. How many fingers am I holding up, Winston? ;)


I'm not doubting that the genocide took place. In fact, I'm not
expressing an opinion either way. It is virtually a moot point for my
argument.

Funny in and of itself. =)





If you beg to differ, just ask a moderate and a radial muslim about
when a jihads are proper. Or ask a head hunter about the right thing
when it comes time to take the head. Hmmmmm.

No. You see, we are talking about European-American morals here, not
some
abstruse anthropological exercise where we go places where the criminal to
us is commonplace.

No, "We" are not. You are and I am not. This is but one example of
the arrogance of your argument. You are just as guilty of being
"Holier than thou" as anyone else and, on this one, it shows.

Sorry, but last I checked, the action being discussed was happening in
Washington. If you have the magical ability to move it halfway around the
world, you're in the wrong business.




Unfortunately the "do the right thing" approach (when you can separate
if from the "do the right thing" spin) is bogus in both domestic and
international settings since the "real" world hardly ever takes
anything other than anticipated immediate consequences into account.

No. You see, until the American reputation was destroyed by the
republican party, we, and the rest of the free world, used to get quite a
bit of benefit from it. Only now that it has been kicked into the grave
by
right wingers is it held to be unimportant.

Obviously, I don't see it your way and all the "You see," phrases will
not change that.

Well, you could always crack a few history books, but that doesn't seem to
be your style so far.


You have an interesting way of looking at politics. If in fact the
American reputation has been destroyed it wasn't just Republican that
participated. Please put on your thinking hat and try to recall other
wars conducted by Democrats that were the object of much international
angst.

Sure. Tell you what, let's start with the universal boost in sympathy and
cooperation we had after 9/11, and you can start the list. Go.




Issues are most often seen in terms of who has the power to have their
way and what sorts of lies (spin) do they need to improve their
positions. Who has the most votes, who has the most money, who has
what bad acts to hang over who's head, who tells the best and biggest
lie all end up being the deciding factors 99.9% of the time.

They sure do now, yep.


Not really all that different over all the centuries.

So, on this one Rep. Pelosi will end up watching all her efforts on
the Armenian genocide resolution go for naught. It probably will not
get out of the House and I doubt the Republican Senators will allow it
out of the Senate. The Republicans have the votes to quash it in one
or both and they will.

Why would they care? Oh, I forget - if they hadn't destabilized Iraq
for
nothing, this couldn't even be a problem.

I suppose by some stretch of logic you have a point. I'm not sure
what that logic is, nor do I care at this point.

Your opinions are so very different from mine that it is difficult to
even communicate. I'm not willing to make the effort on this topic.
We've both ended up being clear on the major points and we don't
agree. The minor points are not worth the effort.



A complete waste of time and money. Your and my tax dollars hard at
work for zero accomplishments.

What liars and despicable criminals do to good efforts in order to
protect
their own hides is not typically seen as an honorable reason to suspend
such
efforts.


Never said it was. I was attempting to say the real world works
differently most of the time. So you continue in your believe that
this resolution makes a difference and be happy.

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