Re: Rove Leaves as a Failure
- From: Doug Reese <dreese@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:15:54 -0000
On Aug 18, 5:31 am, WaIIy <eI...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:33:21 -0000, Doug Reese <dre...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 17, 11:53 am, WaIIy <eI...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:45:51 -0000, Doug Reese <dre...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 17, 4:34 am, WaIIy <eI...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 04:37:43 -0000, Doug Reese <dre...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
None of Kerry's Purple Hearts were for shaving cuts. All three were in
"connections", real or imaginary, had nothing to do with him receiving
That's a good one. You're a regular Don Rickles.
Very funny, Wally. I thought I had heard them all, but that's
Perhaps you'd care to point out how what I have said that is
incorrect, sticking to the facts of the various (three) situations. I
know that's difficult for some people, but try, if you would.
I'm not going to post the zillion url's about this story.
Who the hell recreates what he did over there and films it?
Who throws medals away and they aren't even his.
Don't gte me started on that traitor.
BTW, I was in VN myself, but that doesn't make for added credibility on
Understood, and I agree. But in regards to what you just mentioned
(recreating and filming it), well, I was there for that. To be
specific, I was there and that did NOT happen.
It's one of those story that those who are anti-Kerry grabbed on to a
few years back, and it has taken on a life of it's own. Even though
there is not a single person who can say they were present for such a
thing, which is saying something since the Swifts went out with at
least three boats.
There are plenty of people who were there who will tell you it did not
happen. I am one of those.
I wasn't there, so I can't dispute what you say, not directly anyway.
Thomas Vallely, a fellow veteran and one of Kerry's closest political
advisers and friends, told the Globe, "John was thinking Camelot when he
shot that film, absolutely."
Yes, not directly . . .
And he did some filming, just no returning to any site, and certainly
"On February 28, 1969, now in charge of PCF 94, Kerry came under fire
from an enemy location on the shore. The crew's gunner returned fire,
hitting and wounding the lone gunman.
Yep, the "lone" gunman. Wanna bet?
Kerry directed the boat to charge
the enemy position.
Slightly out of order. The VC wasn't wounded before the boat was
Beaching his boat, Kerry jumped off, chased the
wounded insurgent behind a thatched hutch, and killed him.
He did not "chase him behind a thatched hut" and kill him. He shot him
from a fairly short distance (let's say 10-15 yards) as the VC was
along a path, and was close to a lean-to, which set off to the side of
He was turned somewhat to the left, either to look back at the Swift
Boat and see if he could fire the B-40, or to look over his shoulder
to see if anyone was following him. We'll never know why, because
Kerry killed him.
Oh, and the constantly repeated refrain form the head liar of the
Swift Boat Veterans for "truth" . . . . that Kerry "shot that kid in
the back", is just that -- a lie. He was neither shot in the back, nor
was he a kid.
Kerry and his
crew returned within days, armed with a Super 8 video camera he had
purchased at the post exchange at Cam Ranh Bay, and reenacted the
skirmish on film."
A total lie, Wally, an absolute, provable, lie. Not your's, I know,
but a lie just the same.
The Swifts went up that canal -- the Dong Cung Canal -- precisely two
times. I was along for the ride both times. The first was Feb 28, when
the incident for which he was awarded the Silver Star occured.
The other was March 13. The last part of that day is what you may be
familiar with, as that's when one of the boats hit a mine, Kerry
pulled Jim Rassmann out of the water, etc.
But that morning, we (a total of four Swift Boats, again with us
advisors and Vietnamese soldiers) were back up the Dong Cung Canal.
Once again, some of the Swift Boat guys were off the boats, on the
ground, engaged in combat -- Kerry included. You don't hear much about
that, because of who was alongside Kerry -- Larry Thurlow. You
probabaly know who he is.
Anyway, we had a guy killed that morning, and we did not visit the
site of the Feb 28 Silver Star incident. It was just a short distance
from where were were (we passed it), and on the other side of the
There was no filming at the February 28 site on March 13, and
certainly no re-enacting.
The Swifts never went back up that canal.
We (advisors) lived in the village which was named for the canal (or
vice versa), and was located where the canal branched out to the north
of the much larger Bay Hap River.
And in case you didn't already know, the Swifts never, ever went out
alone, but with at least three boats. Whenever they went out on the
rivers, it was written up.
So, not only did they go up that canal just twice, as I mentioned
before, there is not a single person who has said Kerry filmed
anything March 13, much less any re-enacting.
Filming was done February 28. We hung around for maybe 45 minutes
after things died down. Kerry filmed (you've seen some of it), and
other guys took photos with still cameras. There was no re-enacting
Swift BoatVeterans for Truth includes the entire chain of command above
Kerry during his tenure in Southeast Asia, as well as enlisted men.
The enlisted guys who actually saw Kerry in Vietnam, and were members
of the Swift Boat Veterans for "truth" are few in number -- probably
less than 10. Maybe less than five.
Tedd Peck, who piloted PCF-94 before being wounded and turning over
command to Kerry, told WorldNetDaily the footage taken in Vietnam is
Kerry's 8-millimeter films show him with grenades hanging from a flack
jacket, but Peck says the members of theswift-boatcrew were not ground
troops -- being told never to leave the boat --
Really? And was Peck around during any of what we are talking about?
No, he was either still in the hospital, or gone from Vietnam. He
doesn't really know what they were told. Remember what I said about
Larry Thurlow being off the boat? And why is it, even though it was
known that Kerry (and others) were off the boats February 28, that
nothing was done about it? And then again, March 13, and nothing was
done about it?
Ted Peck was out of the loop then, and did not know what he was
and never were issued
grenades because of the chance of them ricocheting when lobbed from the
Hmm, then how is it that those guys had grenades -- did they steal
"He found [the grenades] and wanted to make himself look like a gungho
John Wayne," said Peck, who said he didn't like Kerry from the start.
"That's what it is, Hollywood."
Peck said he and his colleagues thought it was odd that Kerry took the
camera with him on patrol.
Quite a few Swift Boat guys had cameras. It was not in the slightest
bit unusual, unless, of course, a person doesn't like Kerry. Then it's
"He was carefully getting his heroics down," Peck said.
Guess what? Peck doesn't like Kerry.
No, Senator Kerry has disclosed only a selected portion of his records.
Specifically, Senator Kerry has not disclosed the records leading to the
award of the three purple hearts, the Silver Star and the Bronze Star.
The paperwork for the Bronze and Silver Stars are Navy paperwork, and
all have been found/disclosed. They were not Kerry's personal papers,
so there was nothing he could disclose.
The Silver Star after-action report shows the Swift Boat Veterans for
"truth" for the shameless liars they are.
There are also missing performance evaluations (called "Fitness
Reports") for certain periods of his service as a Navy officer. We call
upon Senator Kerry to authorize the complete release of his military
records by filing a simple two-page Form 180.- Hide quoted text -
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