Re: Jesus had Friend Judas Betray him!


Old Salt wrote:
On 7 Apr 2006 15:56:35 -0700 the fame writer, coco wrote not much to
be useful on, "Re: Jesus had Friend Judas Betray him!",

And the Bible as we know it was complied when and where! - New
Testament Only!

Order Writers Occupations Writings Writings
Completed

33. Matthew Tax c. 41 C.E. Matthew
collector,
apostle

34. Luke Physician, c. 56-58 C.E. Luke; Acts
missionary

35. James Overseer before 62 C.E. James
(brother
of Jesus)

36. Mark Missionary c. 60-65 C.E. Mark

37. Peter Fisherman, c. 64 C.E. First and Second
apostle Peter

38. Paul Missionary, c. 65 C.E. First and Second
apostle, Thessalonians;
tentmaker Galatians; First
and Second
Corinthians;
Romans; Ephesians;
Philippians;
Colossians;
Philemon; Hebrews;
First and Second
Timothy; Titus

39. Jude Disciple c. 65 C.E. Jude
(brother
of Jesus)

40. John Fisherman, c. 98 C.E. Revelation; John;
apostle First, Second, and
Third John

As you can see the oldest was done around 98 C.E, a good 200 years
before Constantine.

Constantine and the jolly crew after that destroyed
all manuscripts that did not fit their design - Roman and others!

Got any proof for that? Don't think so, since it did not
happen.


http://www.bible.ca/b-canon-diocletians-destruction-constantines-production-scripture.htm

Introduction:

303 AD the Roman Emperor, Diocletian calls for the destruction of all
the scriptures of the Christians. Obviously there must have been a set
of books (a canon) so well defined and universally accepted, that even
outsiders knew which books the Christians considered as scripture.
The edict of Diocletian, therefore shows that long before the first
extant "canon lists" came along, a canon already existed. It also
forced the Christians to meditate on the subject of which books were
most sacred and inspired.
So with the solders knocking at the door and the Christian inside, as
Everet puts it: "for the most part they knew what books the soldiers
were looking for". (Lee Martin McDonald, James A. Sanders, Editors: The
Canon Debate; Everett Ferguson, Factors Leading to the Selection and
Closure of the New Testament Canon, p 317, 2002)
There must have been a well defined canon at this time.
In a most providential twist of events, Roman Emperor Constantine a few
years later, enlisted the help of Eusebius, to create 50 copies in
codex form, of the entire Bible. Although know one knows for sure what
was in this Bible and no definite copies have been located, it proves a
definite canon existed in the time period of 275 - 315 AD.
Discussion:

Two major attempts to establish conformity in the empire in the early
fourth century C.E. probably also affected the scope of the New
Testament canon by causing the church to make conscious decisions about
what literature it considered sacred. The first of these was an edict
of Diocletian on February 23, 303, to promote religious uniformity.
This edict, which remained in effect until 313, led to the persecution
of the church and called for the burning of its sacred writings.
Diocletian also compelled Christians to turn over their sacred books to
the authorities to be burned. The Christians tried to salvage as much
of their sacred literature as possible by turning over to them less
important texts that were not considered sacred. Those who gave in to
pressure and handed sacred scripture over to the authorities were
called "traitors" (traditores). On the other hand, those who refused
and consequently were imprisoned or killed were called confessors and
martyrs (homologetai and martyres). Such distinctions presume, of
course, that by this time individual congregations had determined which
literature was sacred and which was not, what was worth dying for and
what was not. Second, and just as compelling, was Constantine's push
for religious unity and conformity within the Christian communities,
threatening banishment for those who did not conform. This call to
unity is the context in which discussions of biblical canons begin to
appear, first in the writings of Eusebius and subsequently in other
lists, discussions, an church councils. What may well have triggered
Eusebius's interest in defining or delimiting'' the scope of the
Christian scriptures was Constantine's request that he produce fifty
copies of the Christian scriptures for use in the churches in the new
capital of the Roman empire Constantinople. These two historical
factors provide the social context that led to the closing of the
biblical canon. (Lee Martin McDonald, James A. Sanders, Editors: The
Canon Debate; Lee Martin McDonald, Identifying Scripture and Canon in
the Early Church: The Criteria Question, p 417, 2002)
By the time of the Diocletianic persecution in 303 Roman authorities,
in their campaign to confiscate Christian property, included the
requirement that Christian books be handed in and burned. In the words
of Eusebius, "We saw with our very eyes ... the inspired and sacred
scriptures committed to the flames in the marketplaces" in response to
the imperial letter "ordering the destruction by fire of the
scriptures" (Hist. eccl. 8.2.l and 4). The requirement showed that the
authorities knew Christians had an identifiable set of holy writings
and knew their importance to the Christian communities. Hierocles,
governor of Bithynia and the chief promoter of the persecution, knew
the Christian Bible, and had already attempted in two books against the
Christians "to prove the falsehood of sacred scripture," by which was
meant Christian sacred writings, as the reference to Paul and Peter
makes clear. Christians themselves thought they had an identifiable set
of scriptures, for they immediately experienced a moral dilemma over
giving up documents to the authorities, an issue that became the
occasion for the Donatist schism. Christians might hide writings, try
to pass off apocryphal and heretical texts, or in some cases debate
what to hand over and what not to, but for the most part they knew what
books the soldiers were looking for. (Lee Martin McDonald, James A.
Sanders, Editors: The Canon Debate; Everett Ferguson, Factors Leading
to the Selection and Closure of the New Testament Canon, p 317, 2002)
When the situation reversed under Constantine, the Roman government
financed the multiplication of copies of scriptures instead of
destroying them. Constantine directed Eusebius to have prepared for the
churches in Constantinople fifty copies "of the sacred scriptures which
you know to be especially necessary for the restoration and use in the
instruction of the church." Eusebius says his prompt fulfillment of the
request was acknowledged by letter from Constantine (Vit. Const. 4.37).
Constantine knew there was such an entity as the Christian scriptures,
required for public reading in the new churches being built in
Constantinople, and certain books were copied and others left out.
Constantine's commission did not require that Christians decide what
the contents of scripture were; it was intended to replace those copies
of the scriptures destroyed in the persecution. (Lee Martin McDonald,
James A. Sanders, Editors: The Canon Debate; Everett Ferguson, Factors
Leading to the Selection and Closure of the New Testament Canon, p 318,
2002)

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