Re: Holy Moly! Bush PERSONALLY Authorized Spying


"Al Superczynski" <modeleral@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:06:51 -0800, "Barbara Lake"
> <bglake@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>Considering that Congress did not know about this, would you still say
>>there
>>is oversight?
>
> What makes you think that Congress didn't know about it?

What has been in the news today? The anger on both sides of the aisle at
Bush's admission he had been doing this.

>>Considering that the president signed orders allowing NSA to
>>eavesdrop without court order or warrant, would you still say there is
>>recourse to the courts?

> Has somebody been denied the right to sue for a cease-and-desist
> order, or for any perceived violation of his/her rights?

How would they know? Do you think just because the NSA eavesdropped on them
without their knowledge that their privacy was not violated?

>>Don't you see what's happening here?
>
> What I see is the NSA trying to prevent a repeat of 9-11. As per
> usual, Bush is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. For the
> life of me I don't see why *anybody* would want to be president of
> this country...

You know, Al, the protections written into the Constitution by way of the
Bill of Rights are protections for all of us. Where searches are concerned,
the term "probable cause" is the trigger. Without probable cause, no
warrant can issue. If there is probable cause, it is not that difficult to
get a warrant. Not only is what Bush did a violation of the Fourt
Amendment, but it was unnecessary IF there was probable cause. I'm reminded
of that poem that came out of World War II.

First They Came for the Jews



First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.



Pastor Martin Niemöller


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