Re: Let science deal in facts, not religious conjecture

Barbara Lake wrote:
Definitely disagree. Schools are a place of learning. What you propose is that schools be a place of "selective" learning; learning which is controlled by a selective group of educators and thereby diminish the intent of educating. 


Nick,

We're going to have to agree to disagree. I can't seem to get across that science does not have to be able to produce life in order to be correct in its investigation and conclusions with regard to the beginnings of life. What on earth makes you think this is necessary. Science does not pretend to be God.

But .... science pretends to know all things and the discipline itself has its worshipers. But you're missing the point I'm trying to get across to you. Science can adequately explain the origins of a tree, but science can't create a tree. The fact that science can't create a tree IS significant, although the disciple can shower a listener with all the wonders and awe of how a tree comes to exist and its needs to continue existing.

The earth is full of wonders that can be explained but can't be duplicated by those who profess to be experts in a particular subject matter. In effect, branches of science may be considered as a discipline of story tellers. Subject to revisions in the onset of time.


Has science ever been wrong? Of course. But most scientific errors point the way to further scientific truths. Even still, science in its many variations, biology, chemistry, botany, archeology, mineralogy, paleontology, etc. are valid educational studies because science in one way or another affects everyone.

On the other hand, religion or faith is valid as a study only in the homes and churches because it affects only the faithful, or only those who believe in certain ways. Otherwise, the study of religion is forced on those who do not believe. It also begs the question: Whose faith-based version of the origins of life are we to believe? How about we go back to the ancient Hopi whose beliefs echo those of the ancient Sumerians (a belief system much older than the bible). http://www.crystalinks.com/hopicreation.html

A scientific version of the origin of life is based on scientific fact. The religious view is based on faith that has no foundation other than the belief of the faithful. I personally believe in God, a supreme being who caused creation to be. I will not impose that belief on others. It is not right to do so because my belief has no foundation other than my belief.

Barb, you keep bringing religion and God into the conversation and I'm not discussing either one. I'm discussing science, as an exclusive discipline that has its devoted and somewhat ardent followers. I'm trying to point out that science, as a informative discipline, does not belong on a pedestal to be awed and relied upon so heavily that science becomes all things to all people.




Barbara


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