Re: Illegal aliens have no civil rights.

richard <member@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:29:38 -0500, Deadrat wrote:

richard <member@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:50:31 -0500, Deadrat wrote:

Kent Wills <compuelf@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:04:48 -0700, Evan Platt
<evan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Grab some popcorn, head over to 24hoursupport.helpdesk.

"richard" is once again making his claim that illegal aliens have
no civil rights.

At the very least they have the right to due process. This
right
extends to everyone on U.S. soil, without regards to any other
factors.

And equal protection of the law. And all benefits of the Bill of
Rights, which does not use the word "citizen," preferring "person,"
"people," "accused," and so on.

I have actually listed for richard the parts of the Constitution
that mention "citizens" -- mainly qualifications for voting and
holding office -- but it doesn't matter. richard lives entirely in
the world of his own opinion, usually something not coincident with
fact.

He did this a few months ago. Didn't learn his lesson when about a
dozen people corrected him.

Grab some popcorn. Watch the stupidity that is richard.

From: richard <member@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Damn it people, illegal immigrants have no
civil rights. The Constitution clearly states that "Rights" are
for "citizens". An illegal immigrant is not a citizen. Period.


I was reading in one case of an arizona rancher, where the federal
judge declared that illegal immigrants are not constitutionally
protected to the right of free travel in the USA.

Well gee, then how does the illegal get from Mexico to Wash. DC?
Then, how do you prosecute that?

Absolutely no one believes that illegal aliens have a legal right to
be in the US. They have broken the law by not following procedures
for obtaining visas. They may be arrested for breaking this law,
detained, punished, and deported.



And what does that proper visa do? It gives the "person" the *LEGAL*
right to become employed,

No, it doesn't, you ignoramus. It gives the person (no need for scare
quotes) the legal right to enter the US and remain for a specified period
of time. Some visas allow the holder to work; some don't.

pay taxes,

Paying taxes is not a right but an obligation.

and freely travel

No, you ignoramus. Visas may come with travel restrictions.

among other
privileges. Technically speaking, they are still not yet true
citizens.

Of course not. No one claims otherwise.

Can a person with a visa vote? I don't think so.

Of course not. Only US citizens can legally vote in US elections, and US
citiznes don't need visas. No one claims otherwise.

But the Constitution is explicit about the restrictions set on the
gov when it goes about enforcing the law. These restrictions apply
whether the person of interest is a citizen or no. We often phrase
these restrictions on the gov as the rights of individuals. So
alternatively, illegal aliens (like everyone else) hold these rights.

A person who is visiting this country properly and legally has these
rights, an illegal does not.

Aside from your ignorant mistakes, yes. So what?

What don't you understand about this? Do you think it would be legal
to draw and quarter an illegal alien upon his conviction for illegal
entry to the US? Or do you think the 8th Amendment would apply?

Why the 8th at all?

I asked first. May an illegal alien upon conviction for a crime be
sentenced to a cruel or unusual punishment?

Deportation is cruel and unusual?

No, and no one says it is. Now answer the question.
.

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