Re: Photographer Prosecuted for refusing to Photograph same-sex couple

richard <I.dont.care@xxxxxx> wrote in
news:fj40q31unv9ifqs8plld41jpanifj8irap@xxxxxxx:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:13:24 -0500, Larry <x@xxxxx> wrote:

In article <nhjup353789qi8gv0gb629a6m4l1mk7ul2@xxxxxxx>,
richard <I.dont.care@xxxxxx> wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:43:28 -0800, Pneuma <frank.spama@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

ADF attorney available to media following hearing in complaint
against N.M. photographer
Christian photographer declined to photograph same-sex ?ceremony?
based on her
beliefs supporting marriage as one man and one woman
Friday, January 25, 2008, 4:50 PM (MST) |
ADF Media Relations | 480-444-0020


So what? At best, it would be a "breach of contract", if a contract
was signed before the event.

No, it would be a state and/or federal civil rights violation,
Richard.

Bullfucking***!
Did you read the OP? The would be photographer declined to do the work
based on the fact that her religion did not support same sex marriage.
Period.

The photographer was not being asked to support same sex marriage. I
don't believe New Mexico law countenances such a thing. The photographer
was asked to take photographs of a social event, and she declined on the
grounds that the people attempting to hire her were homosexuals.

Civil rights ain't got nuthin to do with it. State or federal. It's
being based on state antidiscrimination laws.

I do not believe any such law was violated here.

You believe a lot of things that turn out not to be so:

In New Mexico "[i]t is an unlawful discriminatory practice for:"

<quote src="New Mexico Statutes" chapter=28 section="1-7" paragraph="F">
F. any person in any public accommodation to make a distinction,
directly or indirectly, in offering or refusing to offer its services,
facilities, accommodations or goods to any person because of race,
religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, sexual orientation,
gender identity, spousal affiliation or physical or mental handicap,
provided that the physical or mental handicap is unrelated to a person's
ability to acquire or rent and maintain particular real property or
housing accommodation;
</quote>

It's a simple case of
a person not accepting a client based upon their religious belief's.
That's not anti anything.

It's a simple case of someone who offers a service to the public refusing
to engage clients based on their sexual orientation. Do you suppose a
restaurant could refuse to serve gay patrons because homosexuality
offended the restaurant owner's religious beliefs?

If you come to me and want me to film your event, regardless of what
that event is, and I say no, regardless of reason, no law has been
violated. It's a pure business decision on my part.

Wrong. You can say no for a valid business reason. You cannot say no
for a discriminatory reason.

I am not required by any law to film your event just because you ask.

Of course not. You might be busy; you might charge too much; you might
not like people with red hair.

So I turn you down, you go to another source. I have the legal right
to decline your business for ANY reason.

This is simply not the case. New Mexico defines eleven classes of
characteristics that that you may not discriminate on.

These bitches are just looking to make some money.

Your hatred of women again shows through.

On the contrary, I love women. Specially Paris and Nicky Hilton.
I don't care if they marry. Hell, if they had asked me I'd have filmed
them all the way into the bedroom and then some.

TMI

I call them bitches because they are out to make some money any way
they can. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if their lady lawyer friend
put them up to it.

You don't even know them, but you're ready to read their minds and insult
them on the basis of what you think they're thinking. Nice.

It sounds like what they were actually out to do was hire a photographer.

Under NY law, mister ADA, just how would you persue the matter in YOUR
court?

Whatever Larry pursued, I'll bet he'd spell it right.

Assume for the moment I am the photographer. Two women come to my
business. They want me to film their little ceremony. I decline. I
tell them up front that my religious beliefs do not allow me to film
same gender couples. I also advise them I am not available for that
date. 3 days later I get slapped with a summons to appear in court.
Now prosecute me.
Judge: "How does the defendant plead?"
Me: "Not guilty your honor requesting a jury trial."

Let's stick to New Mexico, shall we? In these cases, no court is
involved initially. The complaint is referred to the Human Rights
Commission, which holds a hearing, determines the facts, and decides
whether unlawful discrimination takes place. If the complaint is
justified, the Commission first tries conciliation of the parties. If
this proves impossible, the Commission may award damages to the
complainant and ask the district court to enjoin the respondent from
continuing the illegal practice.

In New Mexico, you won't be "slapped with a summons." You may respond in
writing or in person or via counsel. Either party may escalate the case
to the county district court.

Just out of curiosity, are you just visting our world for a short time or
are you a permanent resident?
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