Re: FBI Raids Liberty Dollar - Confiscates All Ron Paul Dollar


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On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:52:25 -0600, GeekBoy wrote:

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http://www.law.emory.edu/law-library/research/ready-reference/us-fed
eral-law-and-documents/historical-documents-constitution-of-the-unit
ed-states/article-i-the-legislative-branch.html#c7656

Now where does the constitution give authority to private persons
to coin
money in any form?

By that response I take it you have never taken a cCvics or
Political Science class.

The US Consitution was setup to form the government.
The only place in it now that controls a private person is in the
13th Amendment that bans slavery.

Granted, businesses such as "Franklin Mint" do coin "money" but
these are
all collector items and not legal tender. Therefor they are legal.

Will somebody please slap this *** for brains geekboy?
"YOU" are a resident of a state, which is part of the whole body of
the country. Therefor you are obligated to follow the laws on all
levels.

RESIDENT, international law. A minister, according to diplomatic
language, of a third order, less in dignity than an ambassador, or an
envoy. This term formerly related only to the continuance of the
minister's stay, but now it is confined to ministers of this class.
2. The resident does not represent the prince's person in his
dignity,
but only his affairs. His representation is in reality of the same
nature as that of the envoy; hence he is often termed, as well as the
envoy, a minister of the second order, thus distinguishing only two
classes of public ministers, the former consisting of ambassadors who
are invested with the representative character in preeminence, the
latter comprising all other ministers, who do not possess that exalted
character. This is the most necessary distinction, and indeed the only
essential one. Vattel liv. 4, c. 6, 73.

RESIDENT, persons. A person coming into a place with intention to
establish his domicil or permanent residence, and who in consequence
actually remains there. Time is not so essential as the intent,
executed by making or beginning an actual establishment, though it be
abandoned in a longer, or shorter period. See 6 Hall's Law Journ. 68;
3 Hagg. Eccl. R. 373; 20 John. 211 2 Pet. Ad. R. 450; 2 Scamm. R. 377.

And your point? Anyone within the jurisdiction of the US or one of the
United States is subject to its laws, with the exception of those
operating under treaties that grant diplomatic immunity.

The Supreme Court has declared that there are three definitions
of the term United States:

1. The 'term United States' may be used in any one of several
senses. It may be merely the name of a sovereign occupying
the position analogous to that of other sovereigns in the
family of nations.

2. It may designate the territory over which the sovereignty of
the United States extends, or

3. It may be the collective name of the States which are united
by and under the Constitution.


1. What is a state?
State. A people permanently occupying a fixed
territory bound together by common-law habits and custom
into one body politic exerciing, through the medium of an
organized government, independent sovereignty and control
over all persons and things within its boundaries, capable
of making war and peace and of entering into international
relations with other communities of the globe. United
States v. Kusche, D.C. Cal., 56 F. Supp.201 207, 208.
The organization of social life which exercises sovereign
power in behalf of the people. Delany v. Moralitis,
C.C.A.Md.,136 F. 2d 129, 130.

And your point? A state is either a term for a nation or it is one of
the 50 making up the USA.

Can you print your own driver's license, license plates? Your own
passport?
According to you, you have authority to do as you damn well please.
So why don't you grow pot and sell it? Then you can try out your
theory on the judge and you'll be screaming from behind the bars.

The issue is deeper by far than you might imagine!

As far as the driver's license is concerned. Did you know that a
driver is a
"commercial operator"? The government has the authority to regulate
commerce, but not the personal travel of individuals who are U.S.
national permanately domiciled inhabitants of the various States of
the Union?

Yet they do, I have a "driver's license" but I did not waive my
rights to get it.

Your license allows you to legally operate a motor vehicle. If you don't
drive, it has nothing to do with your right to travel.

A "motor vehicle" is a legal term for a commercial vehicle but has been
broadly and vagely defined to mean any conveyence with wheels and a
mechanical propulsion system. Yet not a farm tractor or of a military
nature.


I registered my automobile, but I did not ceed it to the State as
their property.

You probably didn't cede it either. What's your point?

Go ahead dude. Print your own money. I'll send you a saw when you get
busted.

Will an I.O.U. be fine by you?

No, he asked you to print your own money, i.e., facsimiles of US
currency.

NORFED did not print anything that come close to looking like U.S.
Currency.

I assure you I will not get busted.

Of course not. What's your point?

My point is if I don't do something illegal, I wont get busted.
The language is important.

It is an
contract and it may or may not be as defective as a Federal Reserve
Note. Which is invalid as a promissory note.

What does this mean. That your IOU is just as invalid as a FRN note is
invalid? Or that your IOU is invalid to be used a FRN?

Neither of these makes sense. Your IOU is your promise to pay someone an
amount of money. A FRN *is* money.

Are you sure you know what money is? Many things can be used in commerce
that does not make it money.

Money is commonly accepted as evidence of wealth. FRN's are evidence of
debt.

If you don't know what the law is how will you know if it's broken by
the agents responsible for enforcing the law?

"PROMISSORY NOTE, contracts. A written promise to pay a certain sum
of money, at a future time, unconditionally. 7 Watts & S. 264; 2
Humph. R. 143; 10 Wend. 675; Minor, R. 263; 7 Misso. 42; 2 Cowen, 536;
6 N. H. Rep. 364; 7 Vern. 22. A promissory note differs from a mere
acknowledgment of debt, without any promise to pay, as when the debtor
gives his creditor an I 0 U. (q.v.) See 2 Yerg. 50; 15 M. & W. 23. But
see 2 Humph. 143; 6 Alab. R. 373.

In its form it usually contains a promise to pay, at a time therein
expressed, a sum of money to a certain person therein named, or to his
order, for value received. It is dated and signed by the maker. It is
never under seal. "

"MONEY. Gold, silver, and some other less precious metals, in the
progress of
civilization and commerce, have become the common standards of value;
in order to avoid the delay and inconvenience of regulating their
weight and quality whenever passed, the governments of the civilized
world have caused them to be manufactured in certain portions, and
marked with a Stamp which attests their value; this is called money. 1
Inst. 207; 1 Hale's Hist. 188; 1 Pardess. n. 22; Dom. Lois civ. liv.
prel. t. 3, s. 2, n. 6.

Do you understand in what important way an "FRN" is defective given
the definitions above?

Do you undersatnd in what important way a dictionary definition is
defective given a corresponding legal definition?

I'm sure if you do you will plead ignorance or some other nonsense.

It could be he'll plead ignorance on the ground that you're not being
clear. Could you state your points more succinctly?

I know I'm confused. But that could just be me.

Sorry.

You can call something anything you want. You can say the moon is
made of green cheese. It's not! Even if you get everyone to agree with
you it will never be made of green cheese.

You can spend FRN's like money and loosely define FRN's as money,
but when you get to the explicit meaning of the word "money" it is the
opposite of a "promissory note".

NORFED's Silver Libertys are money because they have value even if
NORFED is permanately shut down. United States Federal Reserve Notes
will be worthless the same day the United States is shut down.

Roman gold coins are still money merely for the gold in them even though
Rome fell centuries ago. Golden dollars will be merely collectors items in
as many years after the U.S. falls.

Robert Miller


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