Re: weight loss programs


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"Jessica M. Seymour" <diet18@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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gro ups.com:

My name is Jessica Seymour and I put this website
together so that I could share my dieting experiences -
my "big name" diet plan ups & downs, including the good &
the bad - with anyone that might be interested in
benefiting from my learnings.

"diets" don't work. portion control & exercise work.

Not just portion control, but what food you choose to eat.
But the word "diet" did not originate to mean weird thing
you do to lose weight as with the sentence "Her diet is
comprised mostly of fruits and vegetables."

right. avoid anything preprocessed or highly sweetened
(especially if it's not sugar) or highly salted.
the idea of "dieting", as being eating or not eating certain
foods has been around for long enough that it's changed the
original meaning of the word.
lee

But portion control is still the primary thing.

Banty



It depends what you are eating. You just plain cannot eat enough kale,
spinach, green beans... to be problematic.



Sure - but you know what? Most people are dressing up their veggies,
taking in
more calories with them.

The other thing is - sure, you can eat all the carrots you want,


Not carrots.




but there's
only so much carrots, or kale, etc. etc. that people are actually going to
eat
sustainably. Really, how many people are going to, day after day, eat
mounds
and mounds of plain kale to stave off what they percieve as hunger?



For me, it is finding the right foods to eat. (I don't care all that much
how many people do what or what other people do.) But I do strongly beleive
(since I am doing it) that one can eat large quantities of food, completely
avoid hunger, and loose weight. For example lunch today was 3 oz boneless
chicken, 2/3 cup chopped tomato, 1 cup asparagus, 1/4 cup cannelini beans
cooked in 1 teaspoon olive oil. That is a pretty gargantuan plate of food,
let me tell you. (I did season it with morrocon spice. There are a million
freebee flavor combos that are yummy.) So as far as I am concerned "portion
control" does not describe the one and only, or even the best way to manage
your diet.


So people go and look for some other panacea recipe where they can lose
weight
without really dealing with the underlying problems of
overeating/underexercising. They like to 'get permission' to keep on
their
basic eating problems and think they can get around the calorie concerns
by
eating mega amounts of carrot juice/kale/grapefruit/protein. Then fall
off that
habit as they tire of it. Or find it deosn't work if they don't address
portions and activity (e.g. what happened to the Atkins diet as many
followed
accounts of how it supposedly meant eating however many breakfast sausages
one
wanted).



Oh sure. I don't care that much about the psychology of dieting. I was
merely disagreeing with the simplicity of "portion control." No one is going
to change habits for life if they are controlling their portions of not very
good food, and as a result being hungry and loopy headed all the time. That
is what happens if you control the portions of foods that are not
particularly beneficial, at least that is what happened to me. I lost a boat
load. Felt like crap too!

Maybe there can be a sidebar about how any amount of *undressed* veges of
certain veges is OK. But the MAIN thing still comes down to - portion
control.


I disgree. Calorie control. Sure. Portion control. No.

Getting used to not eating past satiety, getting used to what satiation
even
*feels like* after having eaten to overfull for years, getting used to not
eating whenever food is around, getting used to how not every little
perception
of hunger demands satiation, getting used to how certain activities do not
have
to be accompanied by food - like movies and Cub Scout committee meetings.

Banty



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