Re: IQ and what it means in adulthood

"Welches" <debbie.welchNO@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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On Nov 13, 3:23?am, Chookie <ehreben...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

.> Actually, I have a problem with these definitions. ?For most of the research
I've seen, gifted means either the top 10% for IQ or (more frequently)
IQ>130, which is the top 5%. ?THe definition of 'bright' is rather too broad here,
and I wonder how the stats would look if the authors had used a
better-accepted definition.

Small nitpick: an IQ greater than 130 puts you in the top 2 percent on
any modern test, not the top 5 percent. (Well, slightly over 2 percent
-- I forget the decimal, but definitely not more than 3 percent.)

I thought one had to be higher than 140 to be in the top 2 percent
(??) I'm not sure what you mean about a 'modern test'. DD#3 was 135
and she was no accepted in to the gifted program, although I never saw
any real significant difference between her and her best friend who
was admitted except that her best friend was more of and artist which
wasn't surprising because her dad was a professor of art.

I've seen a lot of gifted programs that started at the 90th
percentile, but most of the literature calls 90th percentile either
"bright" or "mildly gifted."

I also wonder if it's more demoralizing to be considered far less
bright than one's sibling than it is to grow up in a family where no
one stands out much. I can't help wondering if some of those less
successful kids got a lot of hassle about "Why can't you be like your
brother/sister ..."

My mum was considered la lot ess bright than her older brother. I don't know
why this was decided but it lost her a lot of confidence and gave him too
much confidence. It wasn't true either. He dropped out of uni in the second
year, and she's MA (oxon).

I don't think the finish point of one's education has very much to do
with defining the intelligence of a person.


DD#2 said when she graduated from HS that her goal was to have a
higher rank in class than DD#1. She did (dd#1 was 7th and dd#2 was
3rd), but when she said that, dd#1 commented that she didn't know it
was a competition. I think dd#3 is by far the most intelligent, but
her rank in class was much lower because she was interested in other
things other than grades.

My mom's mother graduated from college and her father had only an 8th
grade education. That was due more to the family situation than to
the innate intelligence. My mom's mother's father was a college
graduate and I think most of his nine children had some college. My
mom's dad's mom died when he was barely 15, and his father was a
harness maker. His 6 years older brother graduated from college and
then seminary, but he apparently did this mostly on his own.

Also, depending on the age of your mom, there is still a lot of places
where the education of women is considered less important.

I think it also effected the next sibling to her, in regard to confidence in
her own ability, in that if she didn't do something as well as mum then she
felt that she must be terrible.

From my own experience, my older sister is a very good allrounder. She could
have done anything well except music (she's tone deaf) or games. I'm very
one sided (maths) and am much better than her at that, she was better at the
rest (except music and tennis). I don't remember it ever being said at home,
just it was obvious. It made me lazy at other subjects. If I wasn't going to
do as well as her it was less humiliating to do less well without working,
than to work hard and still not do as well.
Debbie

The family dynamic is pretty complicated. From something my sister
said, I've concluded that she thought I was smarter than she was, and
my mom told me that was correct because her score on an IQ test was
lower than mine. I don't think it was a hugely significant amount
although Mother didn't say exactly and I think it is primarily because
I'm a good test taker.


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