Re: Spirited boys in cub scouts revisited

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:39:03 -0500, "bizby40" <bizby40@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>
>"Barbara Bomberger" <barbarabomberger@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:f9eqt15ommlrtbge8ic550imoq8bhqee8l@xxxxxxxxxx
>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:18:42 -0500, "bizby40" <bizby40@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> Okay, well just off the top of my head, here are some other issues
>> that were in fact youth. By the way, the young man above will always
>> be an Eagle Scout.
>[snipped]
>
>In the cases you cited, the boy quit on his own and the troops
>actively challenged the Scouts in protest. Only the teen (also
>an 18 year old man, graduated, and turned down for an
>adult leadership position BTW) was removed against his
>will. And while I agree that taking your date to the prom
>is just living your life, it was not the Scouts that first turned
>it into an issue. It was the principal of his school that threw
>him out. Whether he knew the school's position in advance,
>or how the papers got involved is unclear.
>
>>>> But really, is that even the point? I should think that
>>>> in the vast majority of cases, boys would simply walk
>>>> away or never join in the first place. And I can't imagine
>>>> what gay parents would choose to put their son in Boy
>>>> Scouts, given the restrictions on the adults' participation.
>>
>> The point is that Boy Scouts are a uniqe organization, and by NOT
>> being able to join, many boys feel left out, because there is no real
>> alternative. And if you there are six boys on the street joining, and
>> the only reason you cant join is that you're gay, or have gay parents,
>> thats a huge wallop in the esteem department. Talk about making a kid
>> feel worthless.
>
>Um, you are arguing against Ericka here. I didn't say
>the above.
>
>>>Let me ask you another question -- you are married
>>>aren't you? How can you justify participating in
>>>something that so openly discriminates against gays?
>>>Don't you think that it teaches your kids that it's
>>>okay to discriminate when you do that?
>
>> think it does. The fact that I married a man in no way disallows my
>> gay next store neighbor from marrying her long time girlfriend Ny
>> choice in no way infringed on her right, and unlike many hetros, I
>> dont think her choice infringes on, or endagers mine.
>
>The fact that my son is in Scouts in no way disallows his
>gay classmates from joining Scouts either. It's the Scout
>policy that does so. Just as in marriage, you marrying
>someone doesn't disallow gays from marrying, its the
>state law that does so. Yet I'm being blasted for choosing
>to have my son in Scouts by people who are participating
>in something that is disciminatory by law. It seems
>rather hypocritical to me for you to participate in something
>banned to gays and then blast me for doing the same thing.

The institution of Marriage is not always discriminatory by law. And
if like me, you consider marriage a committment made in front of god,
then there are many institutions that do in fact allow marriage of
homosexuals.

I do understand your point, I just see a difference.

FWIW I would more than happily forgo the civil ceremony in order to
make the point, if that makes a difference.


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