Re: What would you do with this present?


"-L." <gentleboa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
> Stephanie wrote:
>> I am simply not understanding what you are saying. Are you a vegan for
>> moral
>> reasons?
>
> It has nothing to do with veganism although veganism takes the idea to
> an extreme. I believe humans could exist on a vegan diet but have
> evolved as omnivores. If we want a sustainable planet, a vegan diet is
> more likely to result in a positive outcome.
>
>> We may have different lines of what respect means. But I truely do
>> not see how it is any more respectful to buy your chicken, which has been
>> more or less tortured in the Purdue farm, but sight unseen to you, from a
>> package compared to killing an animal in the wild.
>
> You are missing the point. No matter how or when it was killed, was it
> respected? *That* is the point. Saying it isn't anything buy "yummy"
> is disrespectful.
>

Oh. Now I get the point. I guess saying it "isn't anything but" could be
seen that way. I read that bit as a little bit of rhetorical nonsense. I hit
a deer with my car the other day. Well really, the deer ran into my car. I
swerved to avoid a head on collision. DH inspected the lack of damage to the
car and concluded that the deer, a young male he suspects by the itty bitty
horn scratches, probably was sore for a day, but not damaged. I felt much
better. The idea of the poor thing crawling of in the woods to die miserably
made me feel pretty bad. Apparently I was supposed to stop and find out the
disposition of the deer, but I was too busy making sure my kids were ok. I
just did not think of it.

>>
>> We all have to eat, and unfortunately petroleum and other non-living
>> things
>> don't sustain us. Some eat living veggies, and some eat meat.
>>
>> So tell me, please, are you condeming the eating of meat in general (that
>> I
>> can at least understand, even if I think it hardly qualifies as "scary")
>> or
>> specifically the practice of killing it yourself rather than buying it in
>> a
>> nice sanitary package in the store?
>
> Killing it yourself is at least more honest. Let me re-explain what I
> was trying to say, though. The OP that I commented to initially said
> she didn't think anything "morally" about the animal other than how
> yummy it would be to eat (paraphrasing here, so cut me some slack). I
> said such a view disrespects the animal.
>

I guess I don't see what one says about the animal matters much to the
animal. Disrespect is in the eye of the disrespected. What would be morally
abhorent to me would be killing for jollies, hurting the animal particularly
through carelessness and the like.

> When I eat meat, I think about the animal who's
> "meat" it really is. What did that animal look like? Did it
> experience a
> life that contained any pleasure? Did its life have any meaning *for
> it*?


Well it seems like a useless exercise to me, but I am of an overly practical
bent. You certainly never know the answers to your questions. But if that
encourages your thankfulness than rock on.


> I thank that animal for its sacrifice of its life - an occurance it had
> no
> choice in. I recognize the loss to the Universe of this beautiful
> creature
> - a creature which had a right to life just as important as I do. I
> thank
> it for supplying me with energy and I mourn for the fact that it had to
> die
> in order for me to live. Now, to some of you, this might be a little
> odd,
> perhaps - maybe a little avante garde or "over the top".


Why?

> For most of
> the
> women on this newsgroup, though, I suspect it's a crazy thought.

> Most
> probably don't
> think about that meat other than how yummy it will taste when it is
> cooked.
> If they thank anyone, they thank "God", and totally ignore the beautful
> *creature of God* (for lack of a better word) that gave its life in
> order for their survival. Most of these women, I suspect, would see
> what I wrote as some "crazy babbling" from "some PeTA nut". They don't
> think "outside of the box" because, quite frankly, they
> aren't capable of recognizing that anything exists other than what is
> "inside the box".
>
> That's what I mean by "you people are scary".
>
> Is that any more clear?
>

Yeah. Do you somehow think it is better for you to call us scary than "women
in this newsgroup" to call you crazy? You have decent points. They tend to
get lost in your fervor. One might even call in sanctimoneousness (if that
were a word).

> -L.
>


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