Re: This newsgroup


dragonlady wrote:
> In article <1126562212.157818.42920@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> "MsLiz" <judgedl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Ericka Kammerer wrote:
> > > MsLiz wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have to be honest...I have looked at what I said...I was criticized
> > > > for wanting more regulations in the school. I was not telling anyone
> > > > what they should do, I was not telling anyone else that they were wrong
> > > > if they want less restrictions.
> > >
> > > It seems to me that anyone who advocates more regulations
> > > at school *IS* telling other people what to do!
> >
> > Which is your intretation. To me, sharing what I'd like to see happen
> > in the school is my opinion. You've taken it a step further in that I
> > want to control everyone.
>
> But if you want rules in school, the rules would also apply to ME and MY
> family, so you DO want to control everyone -- or at least, you want the
> school to impliment rules that control everyone.
>
> If you wrote that you wanted parents to send in healthy food, or that
> you wanted the school to only OFFER healthy foods, we could discuss that
> -- but you said you want rules that limit what WE can send with OUR
> kids, to meet YOUR idea of healthy foods.
>
> Can you not see how that is suggesting that you want rules that control
> what others do, in order to match your idea of what is healthy and what
> is not?
>
> >My feeling about food is that it can be used
> > for you or against you. I'd love nothing more than WAAAYYYYY healthier
> > food choices to be offered in the schools, ofter at least one
> > vegetarian and vegan choice a day, nix the soda and candy machines and
> > whatever else it takes to "practice what we preach" to our kids. If we
> > teach them to eat healthy at home and send them to school ( a place to
> > learn and become better educated) and the school is saying, "oh, junk
> > food is fine," then to me, it sends a confusing message. I earlier
> > compared it to seat belts. We raise them to wear seatbelts, yet we
> > send them on a bus to become better educated and teh buses don't have
> > seat belts! Double message.
> >
> > Having such
> > > a regulation would certainly be telling others in your school
> > > district what to do, so it seems splitting hairs to say that
> > > everyone else is welcome to their opinions. If the world is
> > > implemented according to your preferred policy, you ARE
> > > telling others what they can and cannot bring in their
> > > lunches to a degree that would make a pretty significant
> > > impact.
> >
> > What would be the impact, in your opinion?
>
> Telling me that I can't pack what I think is best for MY child and my
> child's circumstances -- which may, some days, include a bag of chips.
>
> I don't think that's the schools' job, nor do I want teachers and aides
> wasting their time monitoring whether the rules are being followed. (I
> also don't want them making rules they DON'T monitor.)
>
> Generally, I would consider time spent on this issue a waste of time
> that should be spent on more important educational objectives.
>
> > And usually, when the state imposes limitations
> > > like that, it only does so because nuisance value of the
> > > restriction is outweighed by the prevention of harm. So,
> > > one who espouses such regulations presumably *does* think
> > > that others whose actions would be limited by the regulation
> > > are so in the wrong that it's okay to take the decision
> > > away from them. IOW, I really don't think it's that big
> > > a stretch for folks to perceive your remarks as critical.
> >
> > How am I being critical when I say that I'd love to see more
> > restrictions in the school?
> >
> > > While I'd like to see healthier food in school, personally,
> >
> > Absolutely!
> >
> > > I would prefer to see education, provision of healthy food
> > > *by* the school, and policies that *enhance* parental control
> > > (like no sharing policies, which are no harder to implement
> > > than don't-bring-X policies).
> >
> > In my opinion, the best way for children to learn about healthy foods,
> > is to have them role modeled at school and not send a mixed message
> > that at home you eat one way and at school it's okay to buy soda. None
> > of the schools that my children have attended have had the no share or
> > no bring except for in pre-school.
> >
> > First and foremost, I'd love the see my daughter's school update their
> > books and overcrowded conditions. The superintendant had a meeting a
> > couple of years ago and said the following, "It's time for our district
> > to get new books for the elementary schools. I was sitting in on a 2nd
> > or 3rd grade class and a little boy was reading aloud 'and so one day,
> > man might land on the moon." It was that comment that spurred me into
> > convincing my husband that we need to move into a better school
> > district. The food issues are way down low on my priority list at this
> > point. However, it's still near and dear to my heart.
> >
> > I think those are more likely
> > > to be effective anyway.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Ericka
> >
> --
> Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

Okay, here is my short reponse to a very long post. It does not bother
me that the majority of you, in fact all of you as far as I can tell,
do not want to have restrictions as to what you can bring in. I would
like to have restrictions. Your opinion does not bother me, it's just
an opinion. I'm not saying to you that your opinion is stupid and
giving you reasons why I think it's a bad idea. I think that, that is
why I have trouble in here!

The bottom line is that I will not ever have it the way I'd like
it....but isn't it okay to want it? Why is it that how I feel is so
disturbing to others? I'm not stepping on your toes when I state, "if
I had a choice (which I clearly don't) to send my daughter to a school
with restrictions or without restrictions, I'd choose the
restrictions." What frustrates me is that you'd think that I said,
"all of you who want restrictions, suck." Again, it started as nothing
more than that. Yes, it escalated and I was a part of the escalation.

.

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