Re: Toxemia - the root cause of disease
- From: D Baten <dserv.baten@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 16:25:36 -0500
On 1/6/2011 8:40 PM, carole wrote:
On Dec 29 2010, 6:33 am, D Baten<dserv.ba...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:On 12/26/2010 4:48 PM, carole wrote:
On Dec 23, 8:09 pm, carole<hubbca2...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:On Dec 23, 12:45 pm, D Baten<dserv.ba...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 12/21/2010 12:39 PM, carole wrote:
It is this central
cause which we claim to have found and to which we apply the term,
Comment by BatenCarole, the above indicates that it is they who are redefining the
original meaning of the word. Not the other way around.
Some deep and meaningful answer there Baten.
You think so? Tsk, tsk - a simple observation only. That you find it to
be more, is, well, sad...
No, I don't really think so ...I was being facetious.
So, now you revisit old posts and insert NEW comments? Still sad
Who do you think the "we" is in the above quote where it says "we
claim to have found"?
The author and the other two referenced in the excerpt you used. Of course.
Do you think it is the allopaths or the orthopaths?
It indicates that they are redefining the word away from the way in
which the allo's were using it.
The word /concept of toxemia goes back to at least 1822 with
orthopathy / nature cure.
Your date of 1822 is off by 1000 years, which I have pointed out to you at least twice before, and that is why you continue to misunderstand my comments.
You responded once before, and had it pointed out that the word is from Neo-Latin/ Ancient Greek (toxicon) 'poison', toxin' + (haima) 'blood'
As such, none in modern historical context has claim to originality of usage. All have adjusted use and meaning.
"The movement originated with Isaac Jennings, who, after practicing
traditional medicine for 20 years in Derby, Connecticut, began
formulating his ideas about orthopathy in 1822."
Theories of Natural Hygiene [orthopathy]
It is characterized by several theories :
*That the human body contains the power to heal itself (without
*That disease exists when the body is prevented from healing itself.
*That the primary causes of disease are TOXEMIA, stress, over working,
over eating, taking unhealthy substances, etc.
*That germs, bacteria, and viruses are not the primary cause of
*That medicines are poisons to the human body and are harmful.
*That vaccinations are not effective, not safe and damage the immune
*That correctly supervised fasting causes the body's metabolism to
help to eliminate faulty cells and toxins. The effect is to assist
Neither was/is using it in the manner of the original definition.
The original definition being?
Having answered several times, and once agin in the above, I shan't do it again - You are capable of retaining information if you wish to - Normal discussion requires the effort on your part to do so.
That is what happens Carole, knowledge expands, usage changes, and then
changes again when the knowledge base is added to.
We all know that Baten.
Since you have been confused about the origin of the word, you apparently DON'T know it. either that, or, you are being deliberately obtuse.
And why do you think this comment points to the allopaths having first
claim on the word?
I didn't say that anyone had 'first claim'
This is what the allopaths say, ie toxemia is a condition of pregnancy
only. No recognition in terms of impure bloodstream being cause of
The above is a fine example of 'non-response' - First you stated that I had said something - which I had not - I rebutted your statement - and you just ignore. A reasonable person would admit their error and retract it.
Are you reasonable?
Now, as to what you did write - We've also been over that point multiple times - REMEMBER? ...preeclampsia...you are making a claim for 'all allopaths' which simply isn't the case - 'some'? yes, 'all', no.
Read your history - allopaths - as the term originally was meant 'prior'
to ortho's coming into being as a sub-group, had used it to mean one
thing, mind you, 'those' allo's were not the same practitioners that
your are using the term to mean today.
Yes, and allopath meant back when it was first coined as a system that
dealt out poisons and opposed the symptoms. This is the same as what
happens today - the symptoms are opposed (antibiotics oppose bacteria,
fungicides oppose fungi, chemo opposes cancer cells).
"Originally intended as a characterization of standard medicine in the
early 19th century (and especially the practices now known as heroic
medicine), these terms were rejected by mainstream physicians and
quickly acquired negative overtones. During the 19th century it was used
widely among irregular doctors as a pejorative term for regular
doctors. In the United States the term "allopathic" has been used by
persons not related to homeopathy, but it has never been accepted by
the medical establishment, and is not a label that such individuals
apply to themselves"
As you state yourself, words take on new meanings and today modern
medicine is recognised as allopathic in nature.
Recognized not by the practioner, but rather by some of the ortho who coined it.
"Heroic medicine is a twentieth century term for the aggressive medical
practices or methods of treatment used until the mid-nineteenth
century, and usually refers to those which were later superseded by
Benjamin Rush (1745 1813), who signed the American Declaration of
Independence, and is considered to be one of the fathers" of American
medicine, and who had been trained in medicine at Edinburgh University
(1766 1768), was a strong advocate of heroic medicine .
During the "Age of Heroic Medicine" (1780 1850), educated
professional physicians aggressively practiced "heroic medicine,"
including bloodletting (venesection), intestinal purging (calomel),
vomiting (tartar emetic), profuse sweating (diaphoretics) and
blistering, stressing already weakened bodies. Physicians originally
treated diseases like syphilis with salves made from mercury. While
well-intentioned, and often well-accepted by the medical community,
these treatments were actually harmful to the patient."
We're basically familiar with heroic medicine but thanks for the
refresher, even although I can't see its relevance to toxemia.
It is the practice(s) and time frmae that created the atmosphere to which Hahnemann was reacting, and for which he used/coined the term allopathy...
Look it up - you'll gain greater insight.
You can start here:
"Generally, allopathic medicine refers to "the broad category of
medical practice that is sometimes called Western medicine,
biomedicine, scientific medicine, or modern medicine",[citation
needed] with varying degrees of acceptance by medical professionals
in different locales."
There is much more out there to self-educate yourself.
Prescription drugs are the 4th leading cause of death in USA
-- Journal of American Medical Association (JAMA) - 15 April 1998
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