Re: Swine Flu Deaths

PeterB <pkm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Oct 2, 8:58 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
PeterB <p...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 1, 6:15 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
PeterB <p...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There is plenty of published studies backing up the efficacy of chemo.

No, there are plenty that show how chemo effects various markers.
Cure and life extension -- that's what I'm talking about.  The
citation of Dr. Ulrich Abel's book on the failure of chemo is not in
dispute unless you can cite data proving otherwise.  And you can't,
because it doesn't exist.

One wonders what the 3364 papers that can be found in PubMed when
searching for chemotherapy life extension have to say about that.

Your ability to "wonder" is only exceeded by your inability to cite a
particular study backing up your beliefs.  Consistent with Dr. Abel's
research, provide the data showing life years gained for those cancer
patients (the majority) for which little or no benefit was achieved
using chemo.   I'll wait.

Why do you want me to individually cite 3364 studies? Can't you read
them for yourself?

IOW, you cannot provide *any* data showing life years gained for the
majority of cancer patients, nor can such data be found in the search
query you laughably claim to be "evidence." Thank you for admitting
that chemo is ineffective in the vast majority of cancer patients, as
Dr. Abel proved.

I offer 3364 papers. You offer 1 in response. I suppose you would win
in some sort of universe. Not this one.


Now you have been told you will of course stop claiming that something
which exists does not exist.

Chemo studies referring to life extension do not prove lives are being
extended, nor have you pointed to any evidence supporting that view.
Your weak appeal to authority barely manages to be even that.  Either
cite a particular study or set of studies or admit you can't.  We
won't expect you to break any new ground here.

Yet again you redefine "Appeal to Authority" to mean something
different from that understood by people with, well, understanding.

Meaning you have no counter to the facts presented. That's hardly
news.

I see you have now adopted self-referentiality.


You claimed that something does not exist. I
offer evidence that it does exist.

No, dumbass, you proved that a search query can find results using
almost any set of words. For instance, try a search using the words,
"chemotherapy early death pubmed." That one produces 91,000 articles
all by itself. According to your logic, I have just proven that chemo
is linked to early death. Don't tell me -- it doesn't work when I do
it.

Why would I include the search term "pubmed" in a search of the PubMed
database?

I am not searching with Google. I am searching PubMed. Try it some
time.


You won't look at the evidence and, in fact,
claim that
even the evidence doesn't exist. Can you see
why people are laughing
at you?

I see that you are more full of shit than ever, if that's possible. I
have never claimed something is true just because I can produce a
search result. For a pharmnut like you, there is no other option.

The old descent to abuse, the last refuge of someone who is beaten in
an argument. I see that you have also redefined formal logic by saying
that something can be true and not true at the same time. Why do you
offer this Dr Abel if you don't think that what he says is true?

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