Re: Mark Thorson again


"Mark Probert" <mark.probert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:2eba2d00-7be1-4be7-afe1-13c4a44a84e0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Dec 21, 10:54 pm, Dave <djense...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 21, 7:45 pm, marcia <marcia1234...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



> On Dec 21, 9:22 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> > Dave" <djense...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message

> >news:80f17391-c117-4a3f-a68b-d6ecceff23de@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > On Dec 19, 7:14 pm, "trigonometry1...@xxxxxxxxx |"

> > <trigonometry1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > On Dec 19, 1:18 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> > > > Dave the blogspot SPAMMER wrote:

> > > > > Noscapine is a naturally-occurring substance, a non-addictive
> > > > > derivative of opium. That's good and bad -- good because there > > > > > are

> > > > Baloney! Noscapine is a drug of abuse, like most other
> > > > opiates. But of course the spammer doesn't know that
> > > > because he doesn't have a broad background of knowledge
> > > > in science. His deficits of knowledge could lead to harm
> > > > to anyone taking his poorly conceived advice.

> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noscapine#Noscapine_Abuse

> > > > > many people who believe that natural products are received by > > > > > the body
> > > > > with less side effects than synthetic drugs. It is bad for drug
> > > > > companies, natural substances like noscapine cannot be patented. > > > > > The
> > > > > potential for clinical trials is also limited, because there are > > > > > few
> > > > > companies who can risk that kind of investment if they don't > > > > > have a
> > > > > proprietary compound to later market.

> > > > And then there's the old saw that natural substances can't
> > > > be patented. That's simply not true. There are many patents
> > > > on natural substances.

> > > > For example, quoting from:

> > > >http://www.nutraingredients.com/Consumer-Trends/New-patent-for-Cyanot...

> > > > "Hawaii-based Cyanotech Corporation has been granted
> > > > a new US patent covering the prevention of sunburn by
> > > > UV light using natural and synthetic astaxanthin."

> > > > "The patent covers both oral and topical applications
> > > > of astaxanthin, and is the third United States patent
> > > > Cyanotech has received for the protective properties
> > > > of astaxanthin."

> > > > The three U.S. patents are 6,433,025, 6,344,214,
> > > > and 6,258,855. Astaxanthin is a natural substance,
> > > > responsible for the red color of salmon meat. When
> > > > you discover a new use for an existing natural substance,
> > > > you can patent that. You can also get a patent for
> > > > inventing a new way to synthesize a natural product,
> > > > such as U.S. patent 7,247,752 to Cardax Pharmaceuticals
> > > > for new methods of synthesizing astaxanthin. The unusual
> > > > feature of the Cardax methods is that they can produce
> > > > forms of astaxanthin that are atom-for-atom identical
> > > > to the forms produced in nature. Previous synthetic
> > > > methods produced other forms of astaxanthin which are
> > > > easily revealed as synthetic by chemical analysis.

> > > > So why do supplement industry shills repeat this untrue
> > > > myth? Because it demonizes the pharmaceutical industry.
> > > > This is how they divert attention from the crimes of
> > > > their industry. They don't want you to focus on their
> > > > false claims, misleading evidence, widespread product
> > > > contamination, and lack of regulation. They want you
> > > > to think of supplement companies as providing the cancer
> > > > cures, anti-aging supplements, and other panaceas which
> > > > are suppressed by the pharmaceutical companies because
> > > > "they can't patent them". It's an easily falsifiable
> > > > myth, but they keep repeating it because it's the
> > > > best shot they've got. And they know they can reach
> > > > more people with their lies than scientific medicine
> > > > can reach with the truth. The fact that people are
> > > > harmed by their lies does not matter to them. All
> > > > that matters to them is the sales of supplements.

> > > Unfortunately what Mark says here is true. And it should
> > > an illegal practice.
> > > Try to find carnitine tartrate these days. Some company
> > > slapped a patent on it and then jacked the price.
> > > If this was a widget, such an action would mean
> > > the a company already making the widget prior
> > > to the patent could still keep making it.
> > > The patent would be pretty much meaningless.
> > > Still someone has to fight for there rights
> > > and have DEEP pockets. Further just slapping
> > > a patent on something doesn't advance the
> > > science.

> > > Justice is something for the rich...............Trig

> > Trig,

> > I agree 100%. It is a shame when a natural product gets patented,
> > although that generally happens only for a particular use, or in a
> > particular combination with other substances.

> > I was just looking at a new Taiwanese product, a dietary supplement
> > which will soon be marketed for high blood pressure (or at least, to
> > "support healthy blood pressure" as FDA/FTC rules describe). There are
> > three common herbs in the product, and nothing else. Each of these has
> > been used for hundreds of years in China and in other countries for
> > healthy cardio function along with other benefits.

> > The company is backed by some deep pockets, so they went to the US
> > patent office, and got not one, but THREE patents on these herbs for
> > this purpose. I don't know if it would stand up if challenged, but for
> > now no other company can put these three plants in a capsule and sell
> > them for cardio support or healthy support of blood pressure levels.

> > Yes, justice is for the rich. Too bad that no rich person can come in
> > and support noscapine, which according to the press release from these
> > very substantial MD's who are running the current research (more
> > reliable than our pharma shill friend above) has a great deal of
> > potential not only with prostate cancer but potentially other cancers.
> > No one will step up and run expensive clinical trials however, because
> > the risks are too high of not making money at the end of the line.

> > Dave

> > > Dave the blogspot SPAMMER wrote:

> > >> I agree 100%. It is a shame when a natural product gets patented,
> > >> although that generally happens only for a particular use, or in a
> > >> particular combination with other substances.

> > > [. . .]

> > >> The company is backed by some deep pockets, so they went to the US
> > >> patent office, and got not one, but THREE patents on these herbs > > >> for
> > >> this purpose. I don't know if it would stand up if challenged, but > > >> for
> > >> now no other company can put these three plants in a capsule and > > >> sell
> > >> them for cardio support or healthy support of blood pressure > > >> levels.

> > > Now, it seems the spammer KNEW that natural substances
> > > can be patented when he attempted to propagate the myth
> > > that they can't. He KNOWINGLY propagated a FALSE story.
> > > He only backed down when confronted with the facts.
> > > Better luck next time, spammer!

> > > That he would try to float a lie should come as no
> > > surprise. Lies are the stock-in-trade of the shills
> > > for the supplement industry. If there were no lies,
> > > the supplement industry would be much smaller,
> > > consisting of only supplements that actually can help
> > > people, like ordinary vitamin and mineral supplements.

> Hi Dave,

> Why are you posting under Jan Drew's account? :)

Marcia,

I think that's Jan, having some kind of problem with her reader. I
don't know what she was up to ):

Personally I think a troll's comments are better left alone. Every
time I have reacted to one of this fellow's pieces of "bait," I've
regretted it later, because it juMark Thgorson st snowballs. Guys like this are all
over the usenet.

Dave

Mark Thorson is not a troll. Of course, since he caught you in a lie,
you would like to have people believe that.

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One individual was responsible for a great deal of miscommunication
regarding
anatoxin-a, information which is still accessible on many Internet
sites. Cell
Tech sued Mark Thorson for posting defamatory statements about Cell
Tech, its
products and its personnel to various Internet or Usenet news groups.
Cell
Tech's lawsuit against Mr. Thorson has now been settled. As part of the


settlement agreement, Mr. Thorson has posted the Retraction Statement
that
appears below. Although he did retract the allegations that he had been
widely
circulating, we all know that one cannot, with a single correct
statement, undo
all the harm done by many mis-statements that continue to circulate.


The following is a retraction statement that Mark Thorson has posted to
various
newsgroups:


Subject: Retraction of Anatoxin-a Primer


During the last several years, I have from time to time posted to this
and
other newsgroups a file of information called "An Anatoxin-a Primer." I
now
retract the statements made in the Anatoxin-a Primer.


The Anatoxin-a Primer implied that Super Blue Green Algae from Klamath
Lake,
produced by Cell Tech, contains anatoxin-a (a neurotoxin I
characterized as
addictive), and that Cell Tech deliberately avoids testing for this
toxin
because anatoxin-a is responsible for the effects reported by SBGA
users. I
have since been advised that Cell Tech conducts regular tests that
would
disclose anatoxin-a, and that this toxin has never been found in Super
Blue
Green Algae. I had no basis for the suggestions I made in the
Anatoxin-a
Primer, and I hereby retract it in full.

BEWARE!!
Mark Thorson makes libellous statements and then retracts same when faced
with law suits.Being a slow learner he will always do this until he converts
to Falun Dafa. Rod

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