Re: Vaccinating, May Make You Dumb!

On Dec 8, 11:15 pm, Perplexed <openlyincogn...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 8, 9:51 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Dec 8, 9:01 am, Perplexed <openlyincogn...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Dec 8, 6:54 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Dec 7, 9:42 pm, Perplexed <openlyincogn...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Do not put words in my mouth. Red herring is a paltry meal.
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That would be rather difficult considering we're on a discussion
board.

Properly called a newsgroup. You used a red herring. If you do not
know what that is, please look it up.

 I was merely replying to your "not relevant" comment.  Showing

that her anger is present in far more locations than this one forum is
entirely relevant to a reasonable person.

Your comment was, is, and will never be, relevant to the discussion I
was having with her. You followed her to this newsgroup to post what
you claim is her history. Her histroy elsewhere is not relevant to the
specific discussion I was having with her.

You have let everyone know you do not like her.
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I've let everyone know she's a loonbat whose emotions seemingly stem
from her inability to deal with her guilt and anger over her disabled
son.

What guilt? *** happens, and that is what happened to her. Her son is
disabled. Until you have walked in her shoes, or the shoes of anyone
who has to deal with a 24/7 disability issue, you really do not have a
clue as to what she is going through.

 You, yourself, have told her she needs to get control of her

anger on NUMEROUS occasions according to the posts I found earlier
today.  If you don't like people agreeing with you, perhaps you
shouldn't post such judgments of others?  Hmmm?

It is not your "agreeing" that I take issue with. First, I do not need
YOUR help, as you do not have the basis to give it. Second, your
purpose was not to provide help, but to bash her further. She does not
need that, either.

Now, go to your room.
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No thanks.  I don't permit cyber know-it-alls to tell me what to do.

If so, i.e. that you do not permit cyber know-it-alls to tell you what
to do, what makes you "think" (for want of a better term) that I would
want your "help"?

Oh, one more thing, You would not approve of all the money that was
spent on educating both my kids. Too fucking bad.

On Dec 7, 9:30 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Dec 7, 8:01 pm, Perplexed <openlyincogn...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Oh, so you were already aware she took her anger about her son out on
others on multiple message boards on a daily basis?  Got it..  

Do not put words in my mouth. Red herring is a paltry meal.

I

suppose you were aware of the vile nature of her posts on those other
boards as well (FAR worse than it appears she is on this one)..

You have let everyone know you do not like her.

Now, go to your room.

Perhaps others aren't.

On Dec 7, 7:57 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Dec 7, 7:41 pm, Perplexed <openlyincogn...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Donna, I was trying to tell you as a parent of two special needs kids
that you need to reach out for help because YOU are angry over your
child having a disability.

I hope that for your child's sake you wake up and see just what you
are doing. It is will better than a second sun rise.
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You have NO idea of the extent of her anger.

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It is not your "agreeing" that I take issue with. First, I do not need
YOUR help, as you do not have the basis to give it.
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And I do not need YOURS, nor do you have the basis to give it.

Let's see...I was writing to Donna in a newsgroup that you havenever
previously posted to, and you dropped in to trash her. And, when I
point out that you have no basis to provide me with help, i.e., you
have never dealt with a disabled child, somehow I have a problem? I
never asked for your help. I do not need it.

Are you an unemployed comedian?

Oh, one more thing, You would not approve of all the money that was> spent on educating both my kids. Too fucking bad.

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Reading comprehension must not be your forte.  My post clearly
specified that it was the money spent "educating" kids who could not
be educated that was the problem (i.e the severely and profoundly
disabled).  

Another one of your red herrings. Kids who are as profoundly disabled
as you claim are not educable, and there is no reason to try to
educate them. I have never seen a child with an IQ of 30 in an
educational setting, and I have seen a lot. If they can be educated,
then educate them. If they cannot help the family care for them. The
cost of care, and the impact on the family is way beyond anything that
you can imagine.

You may think it makes sense to spend billions on special

needs kids while ignoring the high achievers who ALSO have special
needs and will never reach their full potential with today's funding
disparities.  

High achievers, and I have direct experience with them (lots of them),
readily find a way to succeed. Those high achievers in my HS class
found their ways to very successful careers. Parents bear a
responsibility. Opportunity is out there.

But most people

Oh? Do show how you can know that most people do that.

realize I'm right and that ALL children

deserve the same opportunities, and until we can provide that it makes
little sense to neglect this country's best and brightest that are
tomorrow's future.

They find a way. If they don't, then maybe they are not the best and
brightest.

My kids attend a top notch private school, so their needs and
potentials are being met.  

That's nice. I attended one of the top 25 high schools (that is today,
back then it was in the top 5). We found our ways. I had classmates
working with Nobel Laureates, etc. One of them is now a Nobel
Laureate. Their parents did not have money to buy the education, so
they found their way. Your kids get it bought an paid for. Perhaps
that is a disservice to them.

My concern is for the millions of OTHER

kids all over America whose parents can't afford the luxury I can of
paying for the opportunity my kids SHOULD have received in public
schools.

There is a lot out there that is no or low cost. Looking for it is an
education itself.

I have never seen a child with an IQ of 30 in an
educational setting, and I have seen a lot.
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Well then, you are seriously out of touch.  You might start by reading
the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act and the mandates for
severely and profoundly disabled children to be met by the public
schools.  Then you might check with your own state's DOE and read how
they comply with it.  My kids' elementary had several severely and
profoundly disabled kids (and each and every one of them were both
severely and profoundly mentally and physically disabled).

I have no problem whatsoever with expending every effort to help kids
who can learn learn.  I have a huge problem with spending scarce
public education money on kids who can't learn while we do nothing to
meet the special needs of the higher achieving kids who are forced to
sit bored out of their minds for 7.5 hours of each and every school
day in 3/4 of the schools in this country.

Lots of numbers, no facts.

What about those kids who cannot learn? What do we do with them? Leave
them to the parents, or put them on the ice floe and let nature take
its course?

Where, BTW, are the parents of those high achievers? Too busy to find
extra activities for their blooming geniuses? Mine weren't. I spent
hours every week attending various programs at museums, colleges, and
where ever else we could find. Some were no cost, others extremely low
cost. It takes a bit of work, but it can be done.

You are an advocate for disabled kids.  I am an advocate for ALL kids
who can learn (including gifted ones).  And unlike you I understand
the danger in forcing them to sit in classrooms for 7.5 hours per day
making them wait for everyone else to "catch up".

Yes, I have met your ilk, and I know where you are coming from. One
step short (so far) of eugenics.

 I understand that
they need more than just accelerated classes.  I understand that the
funding formula that gives the school an additional $52 per kid per
school year to enable them to reach their potential is a joke.

Maybe where you are. Work on it. Do not take from those who cannot do
for themselves to give to those who can, with a bit more work, do for
themselves.

And, demand that the teachers address all kids. It does not cost
money, but effort.
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