Thanks for the proof of what I did...

On Nov 12, 8:30 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Nov 12, 10:11 am, marcia <marcia1234...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Nov 12, 12:24 am, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"marcia" <marcia1234...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Nov 11, 11:14 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
All diversions deleted.

But only from your reply.

LOL.

MY diversions are still in the thread, and

archived on Google forever and ever.

News Flash. Every posters are archived.
Unless--of course like your buddy, Mark S Probert who has google
remove them because he lied.

Apparently whatever evidence he provided Google to have posts removed,
if he actually did so, was considered valid to Google, or they
wouldn't have removed the message(s). I know how the archive works,
Jan.

I received an email that slammed a poster. I was angry with that
poster, and posted the email without verifying the source.

Several regulars, Dr. Peter Moran for one, commented that I was wrong
for what I did. I then went to Google and asked them to remove it,
since it was inappropriate. They did so, at my request.

It seems that some people are so blinded by the bigotry that they
cannot see beyond that, and have to mischaracterize what happened, and
keep bringing it up. As far as I am concerned, it is over, and it was
an opportunity for me to demonstrate honor, where none has been shown
to me OR MY FAMILY.

Cue a bigoted hatemonger to bleat and bray that I am lying.
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Mark, what gives?  These are awful accusations and it smells of fakery
.
 It should have been possible to check some of the facts, such as that
the child care centre was closed down.   Why were criminal charges not
laid if these accusations were true?

I don't think this should have been posted, even as a joke or to make a
point, however well-deserved.  Bolen and Ilena have amply demonstrated
how lies can acquire a life of their own on Usenet.

Can you withdraw it?

PM

pmoran wrote:
Mark, what gives?  These are awful accusations and it smells of fakery
.
 It should have been possible to check some of the facts, such as that
the child care centre was closed down.   Why were criminal charges not
laid if these accusations were true?
I don't think this should have been posted, even as a joke or to make a
point, however well-deserved.  Bolen and Ilena have amply demonstrated
how lies can acquire a life of their own on Usenet.
Can you withdraw it?

Yes, but for a price. Nothing for free any more.

I want peace. I have asked for it, I have lived it. I want peace.

I will do whatever is necessary for peace, except give in to Ilena's and
Jan extortion.

pmoran wrote:
Mark, what gives?  These are awful accusations and it smells of fakery
.
 It should have been possible to check some of the facts, such as that
the child care centre was closed down.   Why were criminal charges not
laid if these accusations were true?
I don't think this should have been posted, even as a joke or to make a
point, however well-deserved.  Bolen and Ilena have amply demonstrated
how lies can acquire a life of their own on Usenet.
Can you withdraw it?
PM

You just scored some credibility points in my book, Peter.  This is the
worst form of a hear-say attack I've ever seen.  I applaud you for
calling a spade a spade.

Mark, at the very LEAST you should require evidence of this person's
accusations before considering such a story.  If she ran a daycare that
was shut down, it should be public record.  I'm not saying that it
would be online, since it's possible that it happened long before such
records were made available on the internet, but it would at least be
on file in the Indiana Child Protective Services office or other such
agency.  And even THEN I would have personally steered clear of posting
it to usenet.  I know you think you two are in a "gloves are off" kind
of battle, but posting stuff like this does nothing for you
credibility.

Max.

"pmoran" <pmo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in news:1164743505.300973.222040
@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Mark, what gives?  These are awful accusations and it smells of fakery
.
 It should have been possible to check some of the facts, such as that
the child care centre was closed down.   Why were criminal charges not
laid if these accusations were true?
I don't think this should have been posted, even as a joke or to make a
point, however well-deserved.  Bolen and Ilena have amply demonstrated
how lies can acquire a life of their own on Usenet.
Can you withdraw it?

I have to agree.  In particular, the lack of a specific time-frame when the
abuses were supposed to have occurred is pretty suspicious; it gratuitously
increases the difficulty in verifying the allegations.  Someone who had
really experienced an injustice, rather than someone with a potentially
malicious axe to grind, would want to do everything possible to make his
allegations verifiable.

Gloves off is not the half of it. Jan has no idea what she is in for.

I have already requested that Google remove this message. I posted it to
make a point.

You are the only "ALT" who has demonstrated the slightest bit of ethics,
with regard to asking Jan to stop the abusive posts. Of course, you
failed. I rarely guarantee anything when it comes to human behavior,
but, I could have guaranteed that.

BTW, I did receive other emails which made this one look mild.

Those I deleted.

Already initiated a request to do so.

Just to make my point, the gloves are off. I will apply the Powell
Doctrine.

I have repeatedly asked Jan and Ilena for peace. Only one ALT (Max) has
stepped forward. None of the others have.

I have the absolute right to post in peace.

"Mark Probert" <markprob...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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I received this email this morning. Since the sender used anonymous email,
I have no way of verifying it or knowing whether it is true or not. I post
the full header for reference.

LOL!

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:03:56 -0500 Mark Probert
<mark.prob...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 11/28/06, jackr...@xxxxxxxxxxxx <jackr...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Mr. Probert:
You do not know me, but I live in Indiana. I am writing to you,
since you are being attacked by Jan Drew. I know you will
understand.
Years ago my parents placed me in a child care center run by Jan
Drew. It was a nightmare.
I was physically and verbally abused by her and other people
there.
When I did not immediately do what they wanted, I was punished.
Sometimes I was made to stay in a dark closet, other times I was
not allowed to eat or go to the bathroom. I soiled myself
several
times and was punished, again, for that.
The worst part were the spankings with a big paddle They would
make
me take my pants down and hit my rear with this. Some people
seemed
to enjoy watching this. On several occasions, someone would
touch
me, you know where.
They told me not to tell anyone, or they would report my parents
for child abuse and have me taken from my home. I was scared to
death this would happen and stayed silent.
Finally, after years of this abuse, I told my parents what was
happening, and they filed a complaint with the State of Indiana.
The State investigated and closed her down.

LOL!  Fact:  I sold the daycare center.

Even to this day, I am still afraid of her, and what she can do
to
me. She is a mean, hurtful person who should never have been
allowed to be near children.
Jack

LOL!  This is complete untrue and made up by Mark Probert.

Dear Jack:
I am sorry to hear about what happened to you. Can I post your
email to
Usenet if I do not display your email address?
Mark Probert
Dear Mr. Probert:
Yes, you can post this to Usenet, or send it to her ISP, or
whatever else you want to do with it. Hushmail will protect my
identity.

Wonders of wonders.  Send it, Markey.
They need a good laugh.
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