Re: Acupuncture Anesthesia at Duke Medical School

On May 27, 8:52 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

PM I believe acupuncture is gaining acceptance in certain quarters because
medicine needs placebos in many situations and it is handy to have something

EXCUSE ME PETER... you have persisted in repeating
this fallacy again and again.

It is proper that you have used the word "believe"
and you are welcome to your opinion but...

THE ONE TRUE ZHEN has gone to the trouble, with
great patience, of providing links, patient explanations
and examples that have answered all of the objections
from both you and Richard Schultz.

THE ONE TRUE ZHEN has completely refuted
your position and the rather inane position
taken by Richard. It would appear Richard
is now trying to somehow wiggle out
by repeating his totally refuted ideas
and shouting ever more loudly his misinformed
innuendo about Acupuncture.

It is about time that ANY scientifically
minded person admit the efficacy of Acupuncture,
admit that it is here to stay, admit that
it is being embraced by "standard" medicine
and admit that it is most certainly
NOT PLACEBO. Anesthesia, such as happened
in the Reston example, and many others,
was most certainly NOT PLACEBO and it
is rather insulting to the readers to
persist in making this assertion.

The both of you SHOULD be thanking The One True Zhen
profusely for going to the trouble
of EDUCATING the both of you about
a major development in modern medicine.

Citizen Jimserac
.

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