Re: Breast Cancer - Alternative therapy-Mexico update

On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:24:11 -0700 (PDT), Citizen Jimserac
<Jimserac@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Apr 7, 3:39 pm, Martin <idnontwan...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:35:47 -0700 (PDT), CitizenJimserac



<Jimse...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 7, 10:08 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

No, I'm an engineer whose work ends up controlling
things like auto systems (among many other things).

An engineer!! Excellent profession.

I find it very curious that you are willing to take
greater chances with human lives than my customers
are with their audio systems.

I find it very curious that you regard people
as a collection of mechanical parts or electromechanical
subsystems. The excision
of cancer in one part of the body does
not necessarily imply that the disease has
been cured or the cancer wholly eliminated.

Yes indeed, *not necessarily*. That's why there are things called
treatment plans/ protocols, where a whole number of things are done.
Radiation to shrink a tumor to make it operable, surgery the remove
the bulk, chemo to clean up, additional hormone therapy etc. Unlike
people who believe in alt-med, real doctors know there is no *one
cure* for cancer. There isn't even one cancer.


First of all, get control of yourself, stop the insults
and recover your reason. If you find my views
incorrect, then refute them with logic not insults.

But I don't find your view that in most cases surgery alone is
insufficient to cure breastcancer incorrect. But you keep acting like
I do, even after I told you so several times. If someone is that
dense, no amount of logic is going to work. Ridicule and insult are
the only appropriate response.

Now you say alternative medicine does not work
but then you give us, in the above paragraph,
statements about "Radiation to shrink a tumor to make it operable,
surgery to remove the bulk, chemo to clean up, additional hormone
therapy etc.." You think THIS works??? Fine.
I know it is the accepted treatment but do you have any idea how many
people are being harmed by the surgeries, radiation,
hormones?? So it works for some but for many
other, I submit that it DOES NOT WORK.

There must be better ways and people are flocking
to alternative medicine in the hope of finding those
ways.

yes, they hope to cure a horrible disease with an easy cure. I wish it
were possible, but right now, it isn't.

You can deny people choice and insist
that they undergo the "standard" torture... er treatment,

No no no no no, and a thousand times more no. I insist that the
purveyors of those magical cancer cures either prove it works or stop
lying. If they honestly tell people that they can take their stuff for
their cancer, but that research has shown it doesn't work, that there
is zero reason to even think it works and that it hasn't yet cured
anybody, then I am perfectly ok with it.

OR you can join me in seeking those alternative
systems which show progress, may work or do work
and those that do not.

There aren't any. The only thing that has recently shown some promise
is DCA, and that ain´t alt/med.

To blindly deny efficacy of ALL alternative medicine
is to block progress. Don't you think when a non-standard
procedure becomes validated that standard medicine
will embrace it quickly. Look at Vitamin C supplements -
once dismissed as nonsense by standard medical
doctors 30 years ago but gradually they came to
agree on its value. I think good doctors of all
systems of medicine are motivated by a desire
to help their patients get better. Right now
surgery and chemotherapy are about all that
standard medicine has to offer. I think there
might be alternatives out there. To find out,
we must look. I repeat, we MUST look.

We must look to things that show some plausibility. Some guy picking
random herbs from his pasture because he thinks it cured his horse´s
cancer and that it will do the same in humans is not something that
shows plausibility.

Thanks
Citizen Jimserac
.

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